Shifted wrote:The replacement for displacement:
Boost.
there is NO replacement for displacement, do the stroker, drop the compression ratio to like 8 or 8.5:1 and let her rip. when you do, have fun outrunning just about every other sport compact on the road.
^^ i agree...stroke it ...get some custom forged pistons about 8 or 8 5 1 and boost it...best of both worlds
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If you have the money, do it but it's still not worth it for the amount of money you need to do the stroker. I would take the 1000-1500$ you'll take for the stroker and put it in good tuning parts. For the same amount it will cost you for the turbo setup, you can have a stand alone computer. That will help you alot more than having 30hp more and not being able to use it correctly.
You can get an SDS ecm for the same price as the stroker and get every Hp you can get SAFELY.
Yes the stroker will give you 30hp for 1500$ but it's 30hp that will be use with risk. Why not use that 1500$ and use it on an ecm and tune it correctly and run boost safely? You will gain some Hp back with good tuning and you know you can run it everyday without any chance of blowing because of bad tuning.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
this is what i need more info on the risk, ok is there e rev limit, what is it and why when storked, what kind of problems is a stroked 2.3 prone too ???. that is 30 hp at flywheel right ?? how much boost is safe on it if it is stroked, what kind of top speed can i be looking at and running 8.5-1 what will this drive like when i am not racing, i mean it sounds like it will be rough pls let me know, pls be as specific as possible thanks ................
the stroked 2.3L is good for over 300HP (the 2.6L with block mods) at the flywheel, according to the instructions I have. That assumes you have proper fuel and ignition mods. That number is NA as well. Turbo, look for more power and if you get a motor built, it will be built for your application, it's not just a standard kit, it's tailored to your specific tuning needs.
it is not going to be a very fun "city" car if you do this, but back roads and highways will never be the same.
I have trouble with just the HO in city driving, it's not really meant for stop and go in any form.
stroker motors are better for boost applications in general since the stroke is longer it means more exhaust is built up when in turn helps with turbo lag so its spools faster. and that is just a quick explaination btw
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stroke with forged pistons,crank and rods. With a little shot of the dope
I'm curious as to what crank you would use to stroke the 2.3L motor??
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well, i would be using a 2.4 crank, if i can a preformance crank knife edged with forged internals, i just located my block and tranny and all wiresing, for
$ 200 and a 086 head and ho cams full head $280 shipped, and the ho intake an tb for $150 i will have pics as soon as i get it all, then i will start the bottom end
good choice on the top end...maybe a bit pricy on the intake though
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I was reading on a quad engine web page stating that the 2.4L connecting rod journals are larger than the 2.3L con. rod journals. Are you going to use 2.4L rods or 2.3L rods. If your using the 2.3L rods(=shorter and 2.4), you'll have to grind the con. rod crank journals down. For that particular fact, the site states that it is ill advised to grinding down the 2.4L crank con. rods journals due to lack of durability.
If I find that website, I'll send it to ya. The reason why I'm telling you hthis is because I'm in the same boat as you. I want to stroke my 2.3 block too.
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Sorry, I meant to specify on the main journals and not the con. rod journals.
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You need to do an align bore on the main and bring them to the same size as the 2.4 crank. You need to use the 2.4 bearings.
For the rods, you need to use the 2.4 rods with 2.4 pistons in a 92-93mm bore.
If you want to use the 2.3 pistons, you have to cut the 2.4 rods otherwsie the head of the pistons will hit the head.
If you grind the crank, you'll loose all the strength of the crank and you'll brake it easily.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
^^ very correct information
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Very good point Gilles. But I'm wondering one thing, my question is, if we machine the main journals in the block to accomidate for the 2.4L bearings, won't the crank will sit closer to the deck ( example .030 - .060) out of position?????
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i am going with 2.4 rods, pistons and what not , but good question diesell i wonder as well,
if you machine the crank its gonna snap in half at like 5ooo rpm..this we know
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The thing is, when you grind the main, you grind in the main cap and the block. If you would only oversize the block I would say that your point is good but since you oversize the main in the cap and the block, the crank will be at the same spot. it's just the bore of the main that is bigger.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
I see.....Well I did a bit of math and figured that going from 85mm(2.3L) to 90mm(2.4L) lengths isn't really that much of a gain for me anyway. So basically your gaining 5mm(.19685"in.) isn't that great if you have to sacrifice block strength. Especially if your going to develope over 400hp and a lot more torque, I'm not too sure if it would be worth it. What do you guys think??????
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The block will still have the same strenght.
The crank would have been weaken if you would grind the crank.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
if your gonna do the stroker in ANY form you CANT grind the crank..it HAS to be the block...now..depending on what your doing with it...like im staying N/A so i have no problem..but say shooting for 400hp like you said that would require some boost and a damn good tuning and i think im gonna agree with gilles on that its "safer" to stick with the 2.3 crank....but id love to see someone turbo the stroker and find out to make it fact
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