Want to replace my door speakers. I will be going to get the adaptors that was mentioned in the audio sticky. For $78 what could be possibly better? I will not be running an amp. Thanks for the help.
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
Coaxial.
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
Are you looking to get a lot of bass out of them, or more mids and highs? Because if you're not looking for a lot of bass but crystal clear mids and highs, pioneer makes some good coaxials for the price.
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I'm not a fan of the 3-way bs, but you're not paying any more for it so it's not a big deal. But here is my humble opinion:
If you're going to run these speakers off of your headunit, you want something with a low power rating. Therefore, if you go ahead and get the alpines I think you're looking at (http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Alpine-SPR-13C-5-25-Type-R-540-Watt-Car-Speakers-/290476932073?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item43a1c63be9)?, you'll be trying to push a 90W speaker with ~15-20W from the headunit. The pioneers, on the other hand, have an RMS rating of 35W. I think THIS is why pioneer tends to make some of the better sound in that price range. However, they do tend to skimp a little in the bass department. Then again, which replacement coaxial doesn't?
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So pioneer coaxial vs alpine type-r running off head-unit, pioneer will be louder and sound better?
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
Stay away from 3 way coaxials. They are WAY to harsh from my experience. More tweeter doesne mean better SQ. Neither will be much louder than the other since theyre seeing the same power. Id go with the Type-Rs but Im known to be a bit of an Alpine junky.
3-ways definitely aren't the best. If you could find a coaxial set, i'd go with those. Again, I think if amped, the alpines would far out perform. But I've seen this with similar speakers like kenwoods, etc. If you try to push a speaker with a rating of almost 100W rms with ANY headunit, it just wont be as loud and defined as the pioneer with such a smaller rating. What I'm trying to say is that the alpine, far and away, is the better speaker. But so is a JL W7. So with that being said, for YOUR application I would suggest the lower wattage, easier pushed, pioneer equivalent. What head unit are you running anyway?
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Alpine CDM 9825
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
Sorry went and double-checked and it's a Alpine CDE-9845.
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
I really dont think Type-R Coaxials are super high wattage. Maybe 50 wrms. Most head units to 35-40 wrms. Its a decent match. But yes amping will generally far out perform speakers coming off the head.
So his headunit puts out ~16W RMS a channel. I looked up the set I think he's looking at (the type R's). They're 90W RMS a piece. I don't know. I've just seen bad things before with under-powering a speaker like that. Especially a nicer one like a type R. They can't get loud enough and when you try they pop and distort and carry on. You end up having to turn your bass way down, in turn losing more mids as well. Whereas the pioneers don't really produce the low, low bass but you get louder and don't lose the mids as much. But it's really not that big of a deal if you have your 6X9's pounding in the rear deck. Just IMO, that's all.
Either way let us know what you go with and if you're happy with it; I'm invested now. Haha
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Mids arent designed to go below 70 or 80hz unless theyre higher quality ones. My Rainbows are crossed at 55is hz. Trying to get "bass" from a mid always ends up badly for the speaker.
Truth. I cut my audiobahns at 80 and they rule.
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Yes then cut the sub around there too and youll have a nice range.
Its not just the quality of your gear its a lot to do with how you manipulate it.
Oh yeah. I cut my subs at 100. I found that small overlap really fills in the gaps well. Also, who knows if the equipment is REALLY cutting exactly at 80 or vise versa. Also my ears like the high frequencies my subs produce. Many claim that 100 is too high, but I think it depends on the woofer...
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Well its all relative. Wherever it blends. Idc what the filter freq is.
What about the Type- S or Type-E?
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
I think running from a headunit, either wound be a better choice than the R's. If you want the R's to sound the way they're supposed to, you'll have to amp them. If not, and you want to stick with Alpine, either S's or E's will get the job done.
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Ryan Pitt wrote:Oh yeah. I cut my subs at 100. I found that small overlap really fills in the gaps well. Also, who knows if the equipment is REALLY cutting exactly at 80 or vise versa. Also my ears like the high frequencies my subs produce. Many claim that 100 is too high, but I think it depends on the woofer...
ive never heard a sub set to 100 that i like, tends to sound very muddy, very localizable and just not very clean. id suggest working on you speakers up front to play lower so you dont need the sub ran so high.
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Anybody use the metra speaker adapters?
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
Why bother when I can get you 3/4" MDF baffle adapters for $19 shipped?
On the other hand....you have other fingers.
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Any pictures installed?
1996 Sunfire, 2.2L, 18" Equus/General Exclaim UHP
Alpine CDE-9845
drunken monster wrote:What about the Type- S or Type-E?
Type E's are absolute junk. I would only use them for a stock replacement and I would still probably get S's
Type S's are better for head unit powered speakers but can handle being amped later.
Type R's only make sense if you plan on amping them.
I would grab a pair of type S's if it were my car but thats just me
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