anyone know anything about these or if the y do anything or any boost at all?
just curious about these
Cry02 kits work as a cooling spray that can direct ported into an intake/charge pipe or using their intercooler sprayer, sprayed directly into the intercooler (turbo cars). The kit itself is used to cool down the IAT's for you, doesnt allow for increase in power, but works as a heat preventor. Good for the GM charger kit, same was as an alcohol injection kit is. Just works with a different element.
Nothing is injected into the intake charge, the intake charge passes by an element that has the CO2 flowing through it and acts as a heat exchanger. It works very well to eliminate heat soak, and I would guess works very well as a pre-cooler for the GMSC or post-cooler for the turbo cars. There are also setups so the heat exchanger is mounted to the intercooler or fuel rail, and you can run more than one element in parallel.
15.3 @ 89.97mph, 14's on the way?
OK, lets settle this once and for all. CO2 is a flame retardent...aka...fire extinguisher...think that would do any good inside of an internal combustion engine? And about this little element thing, I have heard of little bulbs that go into your intake path, but...air flow is my friend. Anything that impedes airflow...anything at all...robs horsepower. 1 cfm=2 more possible horsepower.
Article to read:
CryO2 – the “cool” way to get more power
Bolt-on horsepower now available through cryogenic technology
CLEVELAND, OHIO, February 26, 2003—Performance enthusiasts know that when it comes to engine air and fuel temperatures, colder is better. With that in mind, Design Engineering, Inc. has introduced the first CO2-based fuel and air cryogenic super coolers for drag racing applications.
The CryO2® system uses liquid carbon dioxide (CO2), stored at 80 degrees below zero (Fahrenheit), to super cool intake air, fuel, and even a vehicle’s turbo intercooler, resulting in more power and cooler engine combustion chamber temperatures.
The technology as well as the theory behind CryO2® have been around for decades. Liquefied carbon dioxide has been used in commercial cooling applications such as soda fountains and beer taps. And both street and strip racers have long known that a cold, dense fuel/air mixture carries more oxygen and more fuel to the combustion chamber than a warm mixture. Performance enthusiasts have seen this scientific fact put into practice for over 35 years in the form of ram air, cowl induction and cool air intake tubes. A cooler air/fuel mixture also burns better, eliminating hot spots and pre-ignition problems that occur frequently in high-compression engines under load.
Dynamometer testing showed a burst from the CryO2® induction system cooler produced an immediate 30-degree drop in intake manifold air temperature. Sustained application of the CryO2® air cooler dropped intake air temperature from 85 degrees Fahrenheit to 40 degrees - the bottom of the dyno’s thermometer. CryO2® inventor Dave Markley says testing is in the early stages, but the results already are promising. “We’ve bottomed out with intake air temperature at 40 degrees because the sensor doesn’t register any lower. So we’re not sure right now just how cold intake air can get. With the complete CryO2® system in place, we’re also seeing incredible drops in combustion chamber temperatures, and corresponding increases in power output.”
The CryO2® system is a bolt-on performance enhancement, and is completely configurable to meet different needs and budgets. The basic tank and installation kit controls the system and provides cooling to each component of the system. Separate components cool the fresh air intake, fuel supply, and turbo intercooler. Once the tank and controls are installed, each part of the CryO2® system – air, fuel and intercooler – can be purchased and installed as a stand-alone, allowing drivers to use only those aspects of the CryO2® system they want. All CryO2® components are controlled by a standby/armed activation switch, and a programmable throttle position sensor, to deliver the super cooling CO2 in bursts when needed. For additional cooling, multiple units can be installed.
CryO2® was named Best New Performance-Racing Product at the 2002 Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show, one of the largest specialty automotive products shows in the world. The CryO2® line of components was among 10 category winners, selected by a panel of automotive industry judges from more than 900 product entries.
Markley says the CryO2® components are quickly becoming a favorite of import car performance enthusiasts. Young performance vehicle owners like the idea of do-it-yourself, bolt-on horsepower. And today’s high-revving, four and six-cylinder engines - many of them factory turbocharged - are ideal applications for cryogenic technology.
CryO2® technology can be fitted to stock, normally-aspirated engines; forced air induction engines; turbocharged engines, and vehicles equipped with nitrous oxide (NO2).
For more information on CryO2®, visit Design Engineering Inc.’s website, www.designengineering.com, or contact Dave Markley at 1-800-264-9472
About Design Engineering, Inc.
Design Engineering, Inc., founded in 1995 and based in Cleveland, Ohio, is the leading developer and supplier of automotive heat protection technology for the specialty equipment market. DEI offers more than 125 products designed to reduce engine and passenger compartment heat, and protect critical under-hood components from heat damage.
Ian: your far from the truth. There is no heat exchanger, its a liquified gas injected directly into the intake stream either port injection or through the intercooler.
And what I meant by element is that NO2 and CO2 are different elements - crack open a science book.
Clifford Da Silva wrote:
Ian: your far from the truth. There is no heat exchanger, its a liquified gas injected directly into the intake stream either port injection or through the intercooler.
And what I meant by element is that NO2 and CO2 are different elements - crack open a science book.
FALSE!
Where in that article does it say the gas is injected into the intake charge? Have you ever SEEN a Cryo2 system? There IS a heat exchange element, about 4" long, that fits inline with the intake tubing, and there is no way that gas could ENTER the intercooler, or there would be some serious boost leaks, plus as mentioned above CO2 doesn't burn well and would hurt performance. I really don't see how cracking open a science book could make me any more right, and you any more wrong. Have a look on the DEI website, and you'll see what's up with these systems.
15.3 @ 89.97mph, 14's on the way?
Clifford Da Silva wrote:And what I meant by element is that NO2 and CO2 are different elements - crack open a science book.
You might want to check that science book out for yourself as well. Those two
molecules are 67% the same
element (oxygen), although the
molecules are different.
Also, I agree that injecting CO2 into your combustion chamber would probably be a bad idea.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
i kno methanol goes into the intake.....CryO2 /co2 is through the front mount......im thinking bout putting sprayer put on my front mount and seeing how much it helps
you scratch my ride IMA EAT YO CHILDREN
i'm with Ian here, i've seen 2 cars with the setup, and its not injecting anything into the intake tube, it flos into an element that cools right down, the element cools down the intake air and nets more power....
jesus..
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier
5-spd
People, I am telling you, CO2 is a fire extinguisher, there is no doubt about it. And you are absolutly crazy if you would inject it into your intake charge. Plain and simple. I worked at a race shop, we had a dumbass come in with a eclipse that had an intercooler spray bar, injecting CO2 onto the radiator...hmmm, guess where his intake was, down in front, conveniently close to the spray bar, and the retard couldnt figure out why when he was in boost it would fall on its face. Pfft, one look at it and you knew exactly what was wrong with it, but, the kid was a retard, so we took it into the shop and did some "tests", haha. We moved the intake tube away from the spray bar, and WOW, it actually pulls something like a boosted car should. You guys can sit here and talk science or whatever other $hit you want to, but there is a reason why they have an element in the kit and not injecting it into the intake path. I have seen this first hand, but I am sure people will still sit here and argue about it for a while, and keep me entertained while doing it.
finally sombody thats NOT a moron....
thanks for reading sndsgood, the rest of them are asshats....
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier
5-spd
BlkCav wrote:finally sombody thats NOT a moron....
thanks for reading sndsgood, the rest of them are asshats....
You must have missed my sarcasm...asshat
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
here is a pic of what the intake pipe that you put inline of the intake. It's like a 3" section that you clamp (you can see that in the photo....). there is a little vent hole on one side of the pipe for the c02 to live the system. But inside the pipe there is a little ball that you shoot the co2 in that "chills" the ball...cooling the air.
NO CO2 is directly shoot into the engine nor the intake. The concept is that warmer air is less dense, now when you cool the air you get more dense air and more oxygen to burn into your engine. Put it this way, if you had 10 (hot or warm) oxygen molecules then cool it down with the co2 that 10 now becomes 100....more oxygen in the motor. I will try and take a pic of the inside of the intake tube this weekend.
Pic of the 3" section on my aem cold intake.
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