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is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 6:57 PM
well for some time now i've been seeing members post up their m45 and m62 s/c kits and it's just not exciting anymore it seems. i don't know if its because i'm running the m45 kit or what but it just seems to me anyway that boost is so common now adays that it's not that big of a thing anymore. any crits?





Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 7:05 PM
still a big mod since alot still cant afford to get 1

i dont mean that as bad as it comes off

it took me alot to get 1







Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 7:05 PM
the s/c kits don't add very much power at all so im not surprised it seems that way now.


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 7:42 PM
The biggest perk is keeping your factory warranty. even if it only makes about a 30% increase in power, you still have the "yes, it is super charged" stigma with it.


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 7:55 PM
Myles wrote:the s/c kits don't add very much power at all so im not surprised it seems that way now.


how don't they add that much power? they are a great mod and give you about 40hp from just swapping them on and you can gain horsepower easily with a pulley change and tune. hell i went from 15.9 stock to a 14.9 with the stock charger before my rebuild with no other mods, thats pretty decent for only 2k i think.




Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 7:58 PM
i went from a 16.0 to 14.3 in the 1/4







Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 8:37 PM
As the cost of the vehicle decreases, the more money people have to invest into said vehicle. That could be why you might feel that your car is mediocre compared to others (if that is how you feel).

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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 8:39 PM
[quote=97trd(???™)]i went from a 16.0 to 14.3 in the 1/4

i'm talkin bone stock motor other than the charger, no intake, no bored t/b, nothing.




Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 10:08 PM
i had header back , all 2 1/4" , intake , 59mm tb

in the right conditions i coulda gotten 13's from it


not bad for a auto trans






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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Monday, March 05, 2007 11:06 PM
boost=crack....always need more....i gaurantee if they make an adapter for the M62 people will get bored with that and start working on the M90.....Superchargers have limits....it blows i kno....thats why most SC guys are movin on to turbo.....just easier to upgrade with great numbers as booosted2point4 and skillz and many others have shwn....Seems like standards for "being fast" go up everyday....now days people are like woopty doo he ran a 14....before u kno it car will be factory 12s....a true tuner will never be fully satisfied by his car.....and when it gets to the point where it beats everything...it gets sold....Tuners will always want Bigger and Better things......and it seems the auto industry does just that.....OK its entirely too late and my brain hurts....and im done...


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:04 AM
It is because all of the new sport compact cars are running in the 14's stock and you have to buy the GM charger just to keep up with them now. It is depressing to throw 2500 into mods in an older car when you can just buy a new one and have the speed, looks and a new warranty. Plus, the people who modify their cars are never really satisfied, you always want to go a little faster. Those are my thoughts.



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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:21 AM
I do feel it's lost some luster, but mainly because they are a lot more common anymore. It's sad when the 2.4's w/ the m45 only put down like 165whp stock.



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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM
The M45 has lost its lustre... it's a great upgrade for a J-body but in the larger scope of things a teeny boost in power, with not a lot of room to make a tremendous amount more without bandaiding the crap out of the car.

The M62 kit for the eco tho..... has endless possibilities. Being able to cool the incoming air is a huge deal with a S/C and gives you that extra room to play with safely before things like alchy injection are needed. I still get excited when I see somebody put one on cuz I know they are gonna go ape@!#$ when they get bored of the out of the box power. (i.e Phlatcav)

A new turbo'd car tho... always gets the most ooh's and aah's... just on the custom factor for many and on the overall potential it brings.

Built motor + turbo kit.... that's where the googly eyes come in for J's. Its the level many dream to attain and so few have the time, patience or resources to achieve.

The only thing greater is when a standalone is strapped to that setup... mmm mmm MMM! All eyes take notice.

So - yes.. to be honest the M45 kit gets little attention from me. Ive helped install 4 of them and helped turbo a few cars and I have to say, the M45 on my radar comes up as a bolt-on... it's a glorified intake manifold with the potential to make some decent gains but nothing more. I am, of course, a freak for horesepower so I blame that fact for my skewed attitude towards the LD9 GMSC.

Regardless... boost is boost. As mentioned, it's like crack... once you smoke a little of that boost rock... you want more. You'll sell your soul for more..... and more... and more... and then, one day, you're $25,000 into it and drooling over 30 psi out of a GT35R and you look back and realize the last 3 years have been a complete blur and you can't even remember who you are anymore.... and it all hits you like a ton of bricks..... it was so... TOTALLY WORTH IT!!!!

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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:45 AM
just remember when u get that boost rock just smoke half of it LMAO.....but one thing i will give to the superchargers is the maintenence issue.....well there arnt any...u put it on and forget about it....turbos always have to worry bout blowing chargepipes and boost leaks and seals OH MY!!....


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:49 AM
Get t-bolt clamps and proper couplers, and you have no worry about leaks. It's all about doing it right the first time with a turbo setup... unfortunately for many - they don't... so there are issues.

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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:59 AM
SweetnessGT wrote:Get t-bolt clamps and proper couplers, and you have no worry about leaks. It's all about doing it right the first time with a turbo setup... unfortunately for many - they don't... so there are issues.

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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:20 PM
I have a turbo 2.4 and a supercharged 2.4. I actually like the feel of the supercharger better. I think it has alot of untapped potential. There are three key things to getting good power from the M45 and without all three it will not be that impressive. They are having a modified gm reflash, keeping the air cool, and putting even more air in without high intake air temps. Take anyone of those away and it may not be very impressive.

I do not think it is a small mod. I dreamed about the day when I would have the supercharger on my car for 2 yrs. Everyday I am so glad I did it. It is the second best mod I did to my car. (Only second to the remote starter) I would not even a want j-body if it was not boosted. To me having the supercharger was the difference between the car I enjoy driving and one I just drove to get from point A to piont B. My whole goal was not to be the fastest but to have a car as fast as or faster than a cobaltt SS that was exactly how I wanted it for less than the price of a new cobalt SS. So far to me my car has been just that.



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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:28 PM
the m45 is definitely a small mod but the m62 adds like 70 wheel horsepower (from about 125 to about 195) on a bone stock car... I wouldn't call that a small mod



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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:05 PM
JoeyDaBomb wrote:I do feel it's lost some luster, but mainly because they are a lot more common anymore. It's sad when the 2.4's w/ the m45 only put down like 165whp stock.


thats only some of the guys on here who can't really get outta the 15's for some odd reason and i'm running lower compression (9:1) than they are. It's a hell of a fun mod though, just seems way too common, kinda like srt4's.




Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 5:00 PM
i like mine...... but im selling it, no offers to, 1500, with only 5K on it!

but i will let all know how the LSJ maniford works out.......


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:32 PM
I like mine . I'll never get rid of it, but then I'm not a big horsepower kind of guy, I just like the whine.



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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:53 PM
I've had both a s/c 2.4 and turbo eco. They both have benefits and drawbacks, personally prefer the turbo, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 AM
I've really enjoyed my car so much more since I've added the Eco charger. The car runs very respectful IMO with the charger.

I think what you are failing to see, is the big numbers from the Eco charger...like 300hp kind of number like the Cobalts are pulling.

The lack of big HP shouldn't degrade the mod though...it's not cheap and it does add about 70hp (the eco anyway) and takes a car running high 15s/low 16s to high 13s/low14s!

Once more and more folks start pushing the Eco charger to new hp numbers, I think you'll see more interest and more folks trying to get it!

Not to mention adding a turbo to an Eco is a little easier than it use to be!

I like the charger for the simple fact I bolted it on and added the heat exchanger and a 3.1 pulley and all is good still...very easy to maintain and like I said, it does run fairly nice for a 3,000 pound car!

It's not a beast by any means but it does serve its purpose and I like it!


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:33 AM
dont say its a small mod because my ass still can't afford one lol


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Re: is it me or does the gm s/c seem like a small mod anymore
Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:02 AM
i guess saying its a small mod or not depends on your financial background because to me it was nothing to pick up the charger, i'm going to be buying a eco cavalier this coming year andi'll either m62 it or hahn stage 2 it, i'm leaning more towards the m62 because i will be bumping the CR up some with some other goodies. On the m62 it would be extremely easy to make upper 200whp i think because all you need is some pulley changes, bigger injectors, headwork great hpt tune and a HE and your good. For now, i'm toying with this m45 and seeing what #'s i can make out of it because i still can't understand how i'm faster with lower CR than stock




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