ok i have nothing on my car right now.. i really want a turbo, because of its power and potential and i had some friends tell me that it is much safer than a super charger they tell me that a supercharger has more potential to blow your engine. however i have been reading alot on here and everone on here seems to say that a supercharger is better for a daily driving car? is this true???
i have a 02' 2.4 if i would put a turbo on and run between 5 and 10psi would this give me more power/ reliability than a supercharger or am i being mistaken... any help or opinions would be great? and if you have a turbo what kind and how reliably has it been???
The supercharger is more reliable because it has fewer moving parts, no needed cool down time, less places for boost to leak out of, you don't have to drill into your oil pan, and so on.
The supercharger will generate much hotter air per psi of boost than a decently sized turbo, hot air leads to knock, leading to boom. I can see that, but that's not enough to say supercharger blow more motors.
You can buy the GM supercharger for your motor for a decent price and be faster, plus the install is super easy compared to a turbo.
is the install for a turbo a really hard job or just time consuming?
Kevin wrote:is the install for a turbo a really hard job or just time consuming?
You've got to build your charge pipes and tap your oil pan. Those are probably the most difficult parts of a turbo install.
The supercharger route is quite simple.
A supercharger its the best option for a daily use, a s/c has less boost and not blow the engine.
Mario Peluso wrote:A supercharger its the best option for a daily use, a s/c has less boost and not blow the engine.
Next time please, stop and think before hitting "post".
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What I affirm in the one post it is real the kit Eaton M-45 for cavalier with the engine 2.4l years 00-02, it was designed for not sacrificing the durability of the engine in fact this kit will cover the powertrain (internally lubricated engine and transmission) for the length of the original factory warranty.
so will this "Eaton M-45" kit actually add horsepower or is just a small s/c that will take more power to run than it actually produces??? and if it is good where can i get a price on one???
No it reduces power overall, that's why so many people decided to spend $1600 and install them. What a waste. Of course it adds power, 40-50HP in fact, some have dynoed stock with it at 215WHP running mid to low 14s. www.crateenginedepot.com for the best price on it, anywhere.
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We have found with many of our turbocharged cars that the turbo actually increases gas mileage as long as youre not boosting 100% of the time. Downside of the supercharger is that you are always driving it no matter what and taking energy away from the crank.
Also, a decent turbo system should get you about double the hp of the supercharger (80-100hp) for double the cost. To add on to that, with the turbo you will have much more *down the road* capabilities as far as increasing power.
I wanted to know what exactly makes a supercharger a better daily driver option than a turbocharger? I see people saying it is, but have no reasoning.
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[ion wrote: C2]No it reduces power overall, that's why so many people decided to spend $1600 and install them. What a waste. Of course it adds power, 40-50HP in fact, some have dynoed stock with it at 215WHP running mid to low 14s. www.crateenginedepot.com for the best price on it, anywhere.
The site you gave only have the supercharger for the 2.2l. He has a 2.4 and Idk if they switch over or not...
Well, if you know anyone with access to a machine shop, you could pull a GTP supercharger and make your own mani. (only thing there is figuring out how much its going to push through the engine, and possibly have a press. regulator, before running it everyday)
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Adam Hahn wrote:We have found with many of our turbocharged cars that the turbo actually increases gas mileage as long as youre not boosting 100% of the time. Downside of the supercharger is that you are always driving it no matter what and taking energy away from the crank.
Also, a decent turbo system should get you about double the hp of the supercharger (80-100hp) for double the cost. To add on to that, with the turbo you will have much more *down the road* capabilities as far as increasing power.
I wanted to know what exactly makes a supercharger a better daily driver option than a turbocharger? I see people saying it is, but have no reasoning.
You know as well as do I that someone who askes these types of ? does not have enough knowledge to peice together a trouble free turbo system. That is my resoning.
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Rob Durrett wrote:Well, if you know anyone with access to a machine shop, you could pull a GTP supercharger and make your own mani. (only thing there is figuring out how much its going to push through the engine, and possibly have a press. regulator, before running it everyday)
Once again. How is the OP suppose to fabricate or tell someone else how to do it when he still has soooo much to learn.
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Good point.
I'd like to add that the supercharger is often considered a better daily driver because you usually won't go outside of it's range (this being if someone bought a kit for their car). Turbos are made to provide more high-end power and (as everyone knows) have a given lag time for them to spool up.
Its all dependent upon how the car will be driven most; kit-sized supercharger for everyday power, larger supercharger for more power overall (puts a bigger drag on the engine and decreases gas mileage by a noticeable amount but will provide more hp throughout the power band), or turbocharger for most power (more toward upper end of power band - where the engine will be during racing).
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Rob Durrett wrote:Good point.
I'd like to add that the supercharger is often considered a better daily driver because you usually won't go outside of it's range (this being if someone bought a kit for their car). Turbos are made to provide more high-end power and (as everyone knows) have a given lag time for them to spool up.
Its all dependent upon how the car will be driven most; kit-sized supercharger for everyday power, larger supercharger for more power overall (puts a bigger drag on the engine and decreases gas mileage by a noticeable amount but will provide more hp throughout the power band), or turbocharger for most power (more toward upper end of power band - where the engine will be during racing).
I think that you guys are labeling all turbos as laggers and this is quite an unfair bias. I have a 2.4 AUTOMATIC Cobalt that is turbocharged and I have power literally whenever I want. I can break the tires loose at 25 MPH which would not be possible if the turbo had a lag time like many label them to. The turbo is not big but its not mini sized and its perfect for daily driving. It's got power when I need it and better gas mileage than stock. Now our Sunfire for instance does not have a turbo meant for daily driving and lags bad but its a GT40R lol. It's all preference but when I hear what's best for daily driving, I would take the one that gives better MPG any day.
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from my understanding of everything a supercharger can be more "gentle" on an engine, but they are always spooling. Turbo's may put more strain on an engine, but with the right components they are the better route for power. It really depends on what kind of driving you are going to be doing. In Adam Hahn's case, his Cobalt has just the right size turbo for daily driving but still gives out enough power to keep him happy. But his Sunfire, which I have been studying, is ideal for a drag strip. A GT40R is huge and not good for daily driving at all. A smaller turbo sch as a 14g or TD05 would be perfect for getting the best of both worlds, they spool enough to have some fun and also can be driven daily with good gas mileage. I am doing a custom job on my Z24 by putting a turbo from an SRT-4 in. It may cost me a bit in the end, but its just the right size i want. As far as the install of it goes, that just the fun part. If you can't handle doing a little bit of custom work or using a bit of imagination than a supercharger is your route. And one more thing, not all turbo's are the same, a dual-ball bearing turbo such as the GT series can spool quickly and keep spooling. But size is the key.
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peteyparker311 wrote:from my understanding of everything a supercharger can be more "gentle" on an engine, but they are always spooling. Turbo's may put more strain on an engine, but with the right components they are the better route for power. It really depends on what kind of driving you are going to be doing. In Adam Hahn's case, his Cobalt has just the right size turbo for daily driving but still gives out enough power to keep him happy. But his Sunfire, which I have been studying, is ideal for a drag strip. A GT40R is huge and not good for daily driving at all. A smaller turbo sch as a 14g or TD05 would be perfect for getting the best of both worlds, they spool enough to have some fun and also can be driven daily with good gas mileage. I am doing a custom job on my Z24 by putting a turbo from an SRT-4 in. It may cost me a bit in the end, but its just the right size i want. As far as the install of it goes, that just the fun part. If you can't handle doing a little bit of custom work or using a bit of imagination than a supercharger is your route. And one more thing, not all turbo's are the same, a dual-ball bearing turbo such as the GT series can spool quickly and keep spooling. But size is the key.
Well put my friend. Finally another turbo guy pops in to say hello
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no problem, hate to see a good j-body go down the drain cuz the supercharger that got put in it doesnt put out enough power. oh and good luck with the rest of your build.
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Admiral Jedi wrote:The supercharger is more reliable because it has fewer moving parts, no needed cool down time, less places for boost to leak out of, you don't have to drill into your oil pan, and so on.
The supercharger will generate much hotter air per psi of boost than a decently sized turbo, hot air leads to knock, leading to boom. I can see that, but that's not enough to say supercharger blow more motors.
You can buy the GM supercharger for your motor for a decent price and be faster, plus the install is super easy compared to a turbo.
well said.....please dont listen to people who say dumb @!#$ like "hate to see another J body down the drain because blah blah blah" I am so tired of people hating on the S/C's and people who choose them....AS HARD AS IT IS TO BELIEVE NOT EVERYONE THINKS LIKE YOU...SOME PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT AND SOME WANT A SUPERCHARGER....WITH THE LOWER COST, LOWER MAINTENANCE AND EASY AS CAKE INSTALL....ITS NOT A BAD WAY TO GO....
yes EVERYONE knows turbos make more power....la de f*ckin da.....but not everyone wants that much power on their car...especially if its a daily driver...and S/C dont put out enough? just because people SAY that doesnt mean its true....If someone knows what they are doing and tries they can prove that the supercharger makes alot of power....
I know some S/C cavs that can beat Turbo cavs....it all depends on your goal, money, experience, and YOUR OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCE....
so quit bashing the S/C.........
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ok calm down buddy, i do have my preferences just like everyone else. And obviously that is a turbo. But i will admit that the S/C can put out some pretty good numbers. But like a said in my post before, there are different sizes for turbos, not all are the same and not all are used the same. and if you are putting any kind of boost in your car its pretty obvious you want to go fast. But hey, if it will smoke the sh!# out of a honda, its fine by me.
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I agree, I didnt mean to rip anyone it just seems like everyone is bashing people for S/Cing their cars...and I dont know why.....
But I agree about smoking hondas....gotta love that..
But when Im done with my swap and S/Cer I will be smoking Mustangs.....
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Tha01cav wrote:I agree, I didnt mean to rip anyone it just seems like everyone is bashing people for S/Cing their cars...and I dont know why.....
But I agree about smoking hondas....gotta love that..
But when Im done with my swap and S/Cer I will be smoking Mustangs.....
Uhm, other than Petey and I, every post in here is praising the s/c so I do not understand why you say everyone is bashing the s/c. This thread was going along nicely and the turbo guys werent bashing the s/c and the s/c guys weren't bashing the turbos. We were merely mentioning pros and cons.
Comments like "yes EVERYONE knows turbos make more power....la de f*ckin da" are really unnecessary in a thread where this person has mentioned their inexperience and asked for the debate. If he does in fact just want a bit of power and does not have alot of money, the supercharger is not a bad choice. But as so many have found, once you experience boost, there is no stopping the craving for more.
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Adam Hahn wrote:Tha01cav wrote:I agree, I didnt mean to rip anyone it just seems like everyone is bashing people for S/Cing their cars...and I dont know why.....
But I agree about smoking hondas....gotta love that..
But when Im done with my swap and S/Cer I will be smoking Mustangs.....
Uhm, other than Petey and I, every post in here is praising the s/c so I do not understand why you say everyone is bashing the s/c. This thread was going along nicely and the turbo guys werent bashing the s/c and the s/c guys weren't bashing the turbos. We were merely mentioning pros and cons.
Comments like "yes EVERYONE knows turbos make more power....la de f*ckin da" are really unnecessary in a thread where this person has mentioned their inexperience and asked for the debate. If he does in fact just want a bit of power and does not have alot of money, the supercharger is not a bad choice. But as so many have found, once you experience boost, there is no stopping the craving for more.
Thats fine, In case you havent noticed, this isnt the only thread on earth discussing the S/C vs. Turbo, and in each one, there is a person or people who mention that a S/C is a waste and not powerful and the turbo is more powerful....this is beating a dead horse, as it is mentioned time after time again. If you read correctly, my statement is in NO WAY bashing the original poster, but aimed at people bashing the S/C
and if someone saying "hate to see another J body down the drain because a S/C didnt make enough power" isnt bashing the S/C then what post are you reading?
Im done.
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