Well, we been working on this kit for some time back and forth with all sorts of different ideas and designs and finally are happy with the results! The kit fits like a glove, and runs like its factory (only faster)! We tried out SEVERAL different fuel delivery setups, different injector sizes, fuel management units, ect. while trying to keep the price reasonable. Check out our page, we have 2 pictures posted from a week or two ago while in the fabrication stages. Questions? Comments? We'd love to hear em! We like the turn out of this kit so much we are considering doing other models of cavaliers/sunfires if the interest is there! Any customers willing to come up and have there car used as a prototype? Thanks for takin a look!
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Id bring my whip up for a 2200 fit....but I already have a very nice setup...
I still want to see your eco setup.
Hmmmm, so you include injectors, but no tuning? Or did I not read that right? Looks like a tight, but nice fit.
A little pricey, compared to the Hahn kit, which is going to be your #1 competition, but I like the craftsmanship and materials. Garrett > Mitsu IMO, I would have liked to see a BB turbo in there though, and perhaps a watercooled turbo. Just my opinion.
Looks great though, good luck with it.
The kit runs with larger injectors and a begi adjustable FMU. I might not have that listed in there actually.
As for using ball bearing turbos, the price is simply not practical for a setup like this. I use Garrett over Mitsubishi turbos any day.
John Benham wrote:Hmmmm, so you include injectors, but no tuning? Or did I not read that right? Looks like a tight, but nice fit.
A little pricey, compared to the Hahn kit, which is going to be your #1 competition, but I like the craftsmanship and materials. Garrett > Mitsu IMO, I would have liked to see a BB turbo in there though, and perhaps a watercooled turbo. Just my opinion.
Looks great though, good luck with it.
The Mitsu's are also internally gated, whereas Vulcan is providing an external TIAL, and...
External WG > Internal WG.
HAHN has some great customer feedback, but I think you will provide them with some good competition. Best of luck with it.
Thanks! What does the hahn kit sell for price wise? I didnt notice any prices on there website.
Anyone going turbo whether its this kit or hahn's will need at least HPT to get it spot on. Just not gonna happen with just injectors and FMU. That's not to mention adjusting spark timing. But as far as good looking complete kits go, this looks like a winner. And you're 100% right on the BB option, its not practical for you to offer up this option when like 1 out of 100 customers is actually good to use it. Those turbos are easy enough to come buy if one feels the need to upgrade down the road, and it should be an easy fit depending on the housing.
Just don't try to sell this kit as listed on in the link as 100% complete, because it wont be without additional tuning software/hardware, as the experts here are already aware.
BTW, thank you for another offering for this platform. Its not often you find this kind of R&D and craftsmanship on a dead platform.
Does this kit fit automatics? If so, that supercharger i bought and overpaid for may have been the biggest mistake of my life
Yes, fits both automatic and manual.
I have a few questions about the eco kit.
First off a disclaimer. I am going to be straight forward with you and this is meant only as constructive criticism so please take it as just that.
A Why does it not come with an intercooler? It should! Even if it is a cheap no name it is better than nothing. The crowd you are most likely to sell this to is going to want one and more than likely will not be picky about the brand. To turbo newbies an intercooler is as important as a NOV. They don't want to shell out nearly $3,200 and not have an intercooler to show for it. Which brings me to this 750 for the intercooler option. That price seems extremely high especially with no information on the intercooler
B Why is black and unpainted the only color options for pipes. These are powder coated right? It is good to see that they are made of mandrel bent 2.5" aluminum and come with silicone couplers and T-bolt clamps.
I would recommend putting up more pics. Perhaps host them using photobucket or something similar so that you can see bigger pics. You might also want to mention what kind of warranty there is on the manifold as far as the construction of it. Things like cracking at the welds ect. Also the warranty on the turbo and other related parts. So far it looks like you gave a good description of the kit so props on that.
In the contact section you should list a telephone number. Businesses that don't have a telephone number listed give the impression that it might be a shady place.
Do you have some plans for the 96-02 2.4 that came in the Sufire GT and Cavalier z24?
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considering them, unfortunately we dont have a car/customer to use to prototyping.
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Your first pic is not even a 2.2 ecotec. It looks like a 2.4 vvt in a Cobalt.
I say shady business......no good pics, high priced, no proof of it even working
I will try and clear things up and get more pictures very soon...
Reason for no phone, simple... its to much of a distraction. We already work 12-14 hour days during the week! If i was truely a "shady" business, wouldn't i put up some phony dyno chart i found any old place on the web, throw in some BS about it, ect?
The pipes are only painted. not powdercoated. They can be left unpainted so that the buyer can paint or powdercoat them to there exact liking for color. Although we have been looking into some powdercoating setups.
I will try and update the page better with more information for you guys / pictures.
also, i took pictures down for now, i find the uncompleted photos to be misleading of what exactly the kit is.... be patient please.
if you need anyone experienced to test tge kit or anything let me know, I have a lot of experience with ecotec's and boost
and I got a car in need of boost
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Phil aka QBE wrote:if you need anyone experienced to test tge kit or anything let me know, I have a lot of experience with ecotec's and boost
and I got a car in need of boost
tis true. he knows his boost. he has helped me out a lot with spark plug #'s and what not. Thanks Phil.
And as far as being shady. i see them post on here a lot, very interactive. most places that are shady, make one post and leave. id try them but i feel that building my own kit teaches me about the turbo system and shows me what does what instead of bolt on and go.
looks like a lot of time went into putting that kit together. that price is pretty high, seeing that the hahn stage 2 is 3500 from turbokits.com. if you want to be competitive your price will probably have to be lowered, since the gm supercharger kit is even cheaper than what yours is listed for and the gm supercharger is closer to "plug and play" (except that you need to go get the reflash). IMHO the FMU should have a 'base' tune so you can put it on and go but if you want it better you need to learn how to tune.
but so far it looks like a decent kit, might just have to change a few things though. just my .02
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327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
evilmonkitar wrote:looks like a lot of time went into putting that kit together. that price is pretty high, seeing that the hahn stage 2 is 3500 from turbokits.com. if you want to be competitive your price will probably have to be lowered, since the gm supercharger kit is even cheaper than what yours is listed for and the gm supercharger is closer to "plug and play" (except that you need to go get the reflash). IMHO the FMU should have a 'base' tune so you can put it on and go but if you want it better you need to learn how to tune.
but so far it looks like a decent kit, might just have to change a few things though. just my .02
actually look at what you are getting with the hahn kit vs this. bigger better turbo, better manifold. just as compirable to the hahn kit for sure. if they offer an IC in there then it will be REALLY close. im sure the mitsu turbo works from Hahn but i know a lot of people want bigger better options. this is just one step forward for sure.
Vulcan get a hold of me for tuning. I have HPTuners and am willing to help out with the tuning side of this kit if need be. Also if you need a 2.4 to test fit my car can be used once i get a transmission in.
There really should be a disclaimer as far as your tuning solutions go at this point, just to cover your own ass... Mainly because bigger injectors and an FMU WILL NOT adjust fuel AT ALL on some 2003 and just about all 2004-up cars. The ECU doesn't leave closed loop until 5500 rpm even at WOT, and the programming apparently allows it to pull back an infinite amount of injector pulsewidth in order to attain the 14.7:1 AFR that it wants. One 2004 car that I personally helped in attempting to tune was still seeing 14.7:1 AFR with 440cc injectors and over 100 lbs of fuel pressure, at only 6 psi of boost from a 60 trim T3 (not a T3/T4). Even using Emanage to add pulsewidth did nothing to cure the problem because the ecu can apparently pull all the way back to ZERO pulsewidth if it sees that it needs to, as opposed to most manufacturer's ecu's that will only correct within 0-20%. These users will have to either procure and install a 2002 ecu and install it, do the dangerous and technically illegal VSS disable, or have someone with HPT change their power enrichment engagement points in order to use the old injector/fmu method. Which frankly, is a mediocre at best method of tuning, especially on an engine with 10:1 static compression and weak ring-lands.
Also, in all honesty, you'd do well not to advertise hp and tq figures over stock without providing an honest to god dyno to back them up. I'm not saying that your kit doesn't do as advertised, but proof is better than hype. Even Hahn, who frankly has a much more solid reputation than you guys do at this point, provides dynographs of their products. As a newer entrance into the market, you've got a lot to prove to get a decent foothold here. I don't want to discourage you, in fact just the opposite as this community needs more good vendors with good products. But the things I've listed are things you can do which will make things go more smoothly for you in breaking into the J-body market, and you need to really represent yourself well to do well here. Clearly you're the type of guy who'd rather be working in the shop, but if you want to succeed with this venture than you absolutely MUST do things like have good, full color photos of the kit, installed and uninstalled, have someone there that people can speak to on the phone (sorry, I hate phones too but when it comes to customer support, its simply a must), and provide proof to back up your claims. Not trying to hate, just trying to help out. I wish you all the best with your business ventures, I'd rather not see another company with potential fold because of a few bad business decisions or internet-flame-mongering.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
^^^Couldn't have said it better if I tried....
Jay, you make great points and thats why i chimed in with the tuning part. Vulcan is VERY close to me thats why i offered to help out.
Just speaking the truth, but thanks guys. Glad to see others think like me instead of just going straight to the flames. Vulcan, having guys from Team Green behind you would definitely go a long way to establishing more credibility around here, you should give them some serious consideration. Even though I don't own an ecotec and don't really have any interest in them, any solid company that wants to support any engine on this platform is a godsend, so I hope that Vulcan turns out to be one.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
