I have a few question i would liked answered if you could....
What is the difference between the B205L (low pressure),B205R (high pressure),B207L (low pressure),B207R (high pressure)
---Like Whats Low pressure and High pressure
I'm Guessing different boost levels?
---And the B205L,B205R,B207L,B207R
I know these are different turbos but what dose the R and L stand for?
---So be between the B205R (high pressure) and the B207R (high pressure)
Why are there two (high pressure) and not just a low and high pressure say B205L (low pressure) and then they could use the B207R (high pressure) instead of having four different turbos well theres 4 different kinds on car-parts.com
As for tuning
---I have been searching on here and almost every post about tuning the saab kit people use hpt
But could you use the supercharger flash from a gm supercharger kit for the 03+ j body?
---Also i been seeing talk about a FMU i know what it is and what it dose say that you can use or you do use the s/c flash a fmu and the saab injectors will this run like it came stock?
FMU brands what are some good brands to look for?
So for boost
---What dose the stock 9-3 Saab run as in psi
10-12psi?
---Could the stock boost from the B207R be used on a stock 2.2 eco with out blowing up?
---Now also i read there is two manifolds one with air injection and one with out what one would be better to get?
Say like i can only find one or the other
I'll Add more to this tomorrow
all parts you need are from the B207R
if you can get your hands on a GMSC reflash for the eco, do it, its less hassle, get the right injectors dont worry about an fmu
the stock saab wastegate is around 5-6 psi, but the wastgate can be adjusted to a little more than that. ( the mitsu turbo (B207R) at least)
people run from 6-12 psi saab kits with stock engine.
you can use either manifold, gaskets can take care of the air injection one.
The B205L and R engines are ecopower engines (saab 9-5, or old body style 9-3s), totally unrelated to the ecotec. No these will not work.
L stands for luft, which means air (what I was told in saab school) Which essentially means turbo.
R stands for racing.
And B205L, B205R, B207L, B207R are all ENGINE designations. I believe the b205 only came with one turbo, just different programming and spark plugs to make it the R engine.
The B207L came with a garret turbo with a noticibly smaller compressor housing than the B207R which came with a mitsubishi turbo.
They only put air injection on 2003 ecotec engines, but if you use a exhaust manifold gasket from a 2004+ saab ecotec, it will block it off.
L means Luft ...never thought of that
saab was german......Luftwaffa---> air-weapon in german
anyway...there i learned one thing today
(Tom) S/C Fire wrote:The B205L and R engines are ecopower engines (saab 9-5, or old body style 9-3s), totally unrelated to the ecotec. No these will not work.
L stands for luft, which means air (what I was told in saab school) Which essentially means turbo.
R stands for racing.
And B205L, B205R, B207L, B207R are all ENGINE designations. I believe the b205 only came with one turbo, just different programming and spark plugs to make it the R engine.
The B207L came with a garret turbo with a noticibly smaller compressor housing than the B207R which came with a mitsubishi turbo.
They only put air injection on 2003 ecotec engines, but if you use a exhaust manifold gasket from a 2004+ saab ecotec, it will block it off.
I learned alot thanks to the OP for asking as I have had the similar questions and thanks for your informative reply.
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Wade Jarvis wrote:(Tom) S/C Fire wrote:The B205L and R engines are ecopower engines (saab 9-5, or old body style 9-3s), totally unrelated to the ecotec. No these will not work.
L stands for luft, which means air (what I was told in saab school) Which essentially means turbo.
R stands for racing.
And B205L, B205R, B207L, B207R are all ENGINE designations. I believe the b205 only came with one turbo, just different programming and spark plugs to make it the R engine.
The B207L came with a garret turbo with a noticibly smaller compressor housing than the B207R which came with a mitsubishi turbo.
They only put air injection on 2003 ecotec engines, but if you use a exhaust manifold gasket from a 2004+ saab ecotec, it will block it off.
I learned alot thanks to the OP for asking as I have had the similar questions and thanks for your informative reply.
I have learned alot too thanks for the info later on i will be asking more that i had came up with...and thanks
Larry what are you planning?
Sorry to go off topic but I have a saab setup with a garret turbo is it a straight up swap to swap in the mitsubishi turbo?
cavipower1 wrote:Sorry to go off topic but I have a saab setup with a garret turbo is it a straight up swap to swap in the mitsubishi turbo?
Yes, the manifold is the same for each year.
Oh and no problem guys. Any other questions post up, and I'll see if I can find you the answer.
SO_hardcore wrote:Larry what are you planning?
Nothing right now i am just reading up on stuff and asking alot of questions
so.. im confused, your saying that the 9-3 turbo set up wont work on the 2.2 eco right?
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03 Cavalier
73 Beetle
68 Fairlane 500
so the saab turbo will work on the 2.2? but isnt most of the saab eco's 2.0's ??
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03 Cavalier
73 Beetle
68 Fairlane 500
thats just displacement.....
JokerAKA Showoff03LS wrote:so the saab turbo will work on the 2.2? but isnt most of the saab eco's 2.0's ??
I guess I should clarify a little bit.
2003 was a transition year for saab, the old 9-3 had the ecopower engine (2.0, and 2.3 in the viggen) Won't work on J's
The new 9-3 SPORTS SEDAN had the ecotec engine. Yes the engine is a 2.0L and yes the turbo setup will work from the 9-3ss 2003+ with the ecotec engine.
All ecotecs have the same flange on the exhaust side.
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03+ Saab turbos will work .. ok, the other question is what parts will i need to do the Saab turbo on my car?
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03 Cavalier
73 Beetle
68 Fairlane 500
so if i were to get a turbo setup thats a b207R from a 2004 saab i dont have to worry about the air injection correct? cuz i see they are only around 250 bux for the turbo
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wow just seen the date....nvm
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from a secret source i have
figured 250 for the turbo isnt bad price
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cody akers wrote:so if i were to get a turbo setup thats a b207R from a 2004 saab i dont have to worry about the air injection correct? cuz i see they are only around 250 bux for the turbo
even if the manifold had air injection all you have to do is get a exhaust manifold gasket for a non injection manifold part number 12786717 from saab and it will take care of that issue
Also $250 is a great price for a small well built turbo. Grab it, hell get 2 of them..
