Well today i started tearing apart my baby. Shes got a real bad case of the lifter ticks and i need to get rid of it. Not to mention that she has 168k miles on her. So im going to do a mild rebuild and keep the supercharger and spray nitrous when i feel the need to. My plans include but are not limited to:
Innovate LC1 wideband kit
Eagle rods part number
Cometic Headgasket
Ss injectors
Jet 180 degree thermostat
Eibach Sportline springs
Eibach Anti Roll kit
Wiseco Pistons 10:1 compression
Secret Cam Swap
Blazer Fuel Pump
HP Retune
Open up the ports a little with a mild port and polish
1mm bigger valves
Im currently running the GMPP MP45 charger and a zex wet nitrous kit. If anyone has any suggestions im open for opinions. Im just looking for a reliable setup with some balls to it. Here are some pics i started taking....
I will be posting more as i progress
01' Z24 5 speed
422whp/400wtq
T4 Turbocharged
Built LD9
HP Tuners
Sounds nice, but if you don't invest a tad bit more money into the 2.3 oil pump conversion, you will absolutely regret it. Balls or not, your setup won't be reliable without it.
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Try a direct port setup or a dry shot. Spraying wet through the supercharger will damage the bearings. May not right away, but over time it will.
Mr. Pute wrote:Sounds nice, but if you don't invest a tad bit more money into the 2.3 oil pump conversion, you will absolutely regret it. Balls or not, your setup won't be reliable without it.
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2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
Cursed Cav (Luke Heier) wrote:Mr. Pute wrote:Sounds nice, but if you don't invest a tad bit more money into the 2.3 oil pump conversion, you will absolutely regret it. Balls or not, your setup won't be reliable without it.
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John Higgins wrote:
Not true.
Not true that the stock oiling system is junk? Prove me wrong Mr. Higgins instead of posting a comment with no backup behind it. I see you have an oil pressure gauge on your car. Run outside with a video camera, get your car to full operating temp, and then record the drop in oil pressure after 5500rpm due to cavitation and the fact that the pump itself is spinning at 11000rpm at that point.
Publikdstrbnce, unless you drive like a grandma, do the 2.3 oil pump conversion. Not only will you get a pump that holds up at high rpms, but you will also gain back some horsepower that's lost to spinning the heavy balance shafts. It's a win-win situation.
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The 2.3L oil pump swap was the best thing I ever did with my motor. Great oil pressure at all times, no worries about spinning rod bearings, and a noticeable increase in power.
2010 Subaru Impreza WRX Limited
1999 Cavalier Z24 Supercharged
1999 Grand AM SE (Beater Car)
1997 GMC Sierra
2007 Honda CBR 600RR
2005 Honda TRX450R
how's your smoothflow pulley, i was looking at them for my car
13.22 @ 105.2
Mr. Pute wrote:John Higgins wrote:
Not true.
Not true that the stock oiling system is junk? Prove me wrong Mr. Higgins instead of posting a comment with no backup behind it. I see you have an oil pressure gauge on your car. Run outside with a video camera, get your car to full operating temp, and then record the drop in oil pressure after 5500rpm due to cavitation and the fact that the pump itself is spinning at 11000rpm at that point.
Publikdstrbnce, unless you drive like a grandma, do the 2.3 oil pump conversion. Not only will you get a pump that holds up at high rpms, but you will also gain back some horsepower that's lost to spinning the heavy balance shafts. It's a win-win situation.
I never said the stock 2.4 oiling system was perfect. I was really commenting on this comment "your setup won't be reliable without it." That is not true. How can I say this? Well I'm running 97k on the stock motor, stock oiling system no issues. Others have ran built motors on stock oiling system with no issues as well. I'm not saying the 2.3 swap is not a good mod, but just because you do not do it does not mean your set-up isnot reliable.
I can go out and video my oil pressure gauge holding steady all the way to redline. Never had pressure drop on my car, but I will say it could be to the gauge I have. As most it does not read 1,2,3,4,5,6 psi, but in 10psi increments, so I could have a 1-3 psi drop and not see it.
FU Tuning
Its a nice pulley. I got the polished one so it looks real nice with my black and polished engine bay theme.
As for the oil pump being @!#$ty, i have 168k miles on the stock oil pump and i push my car to the limit just about every time i drive it and it held up just fine. I understand that the 2.3 oil pump swap is better for it but im not really looking forward to deleting my balance shafts or getting my oil pan tig welded. I like to drive the car alot and i dont wanna be sitting at a redlight and having the engine shaking. Gm put those balance shafts in there for a reason. That and i dont like bearing failure due to vibrations in the engine.
01' Z24 5 speed
422whp/400wtq
T4 Turbocharged
Built LD9
HP Tuners
180 degree is stock
GMR has got nothing on this
Last response of mine to this thread because I don't want to steal Publikdstrbnce's thunder away from his build.
No offense Publikdstrbnce (really, I'm honestly not trying to pick on you even though it looks that way), but it is completely ASININE, IGNORANT, and STUPID to put all of that friggin money into a build and turn a blind eye to a documented and PROVEN problem with the stock oiling system. If you drive the piss out of your car and run it through to redline, you are the perfect candidate for oil starvation to bite you in the ass. DO NOT neglect a much needed upgrade that you will absolutely 100% regret after busting one of those pretty Eagle rods through the block while entering the freeway at the top of 2nd gear. I'd hate to see you or anybody in this horrible economy put a decent chunk of money toward their car and then see it blow up in their face much earlier than it should have because a simple mod was neglected. Protomec can make you the proper oilpan for a decent price. He's made a ton of them and might even have one on hand ready to ship. Nobody has experienced bearing failure with the LD9 that resulted from removal of the balance shafts. You have been warned...
John, I put 40k boosted miles into my cavalier. 20k of those miles were turbocharged at a dynoed 280hp at the wheels on a stock block. The rest were with two separate installations of the GMPP S/C. I'd have to say that my car was pretty successful in the reliability department (I say was because I just sold it and it's naturally aspirated again). However, the majority of the time, I drove the car like a grandma because of the upper end oil starvation. Your oil gauge sucks. Get a new one. Just because you can't see the problem does not mean you don't have the problem.
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Your oil gauge sucks. Get a new one. Just because you can't see the problem does not mean you don't have the problem.
Funny you say that. I bet if we did a survey of what oil pressure gauge people had, the one I'm using is what 99% of people are using. So you were running a gauge that saw every last psi? I would like to see it, because I have seen race cars with my same gauge.
Again I never said the 2.3 oil pump was bad. At the same time there has been at least one person that had it and had rod bearing failure as well.
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ok ill add the damn 2.3 oil pump. i didnt start this thread for people to be internet tough guys and fight with each other. i made it to log my progress with the car and so others can see the end results and if something goes wrong they can know what NOT to do. If it goes smooth it can be used as a guide on what combination of parts can achieve what kind of power levels and 1/4 mile times.
01' Z24 5 speed
422whp/400wtq
T4 Turbocharged
Built LD9
HP Tuners
Mr. Pute wrote:John Higgins wrote:
Not true.
Not true that the stock oiling system is junk? Prove me wrong Mr. Higgins instead of posting a comment with no backup behind it. I see you have an oil pressure gauge on your car. Run outside with a video camera, get your car to full operating temp, and then record the drop in oil pressure after 5500rpm due to cavitation and the fact that the pump itself is spinning at 11000rpm at that point.
Publikdstrbnce, unless you drive like a grandma, do the 2.3 oil pump conversion. Not only will you get a pump that holds up at high rpms, but you will also gain back some horsepower that's lost to spinning the heavy balance shafts. It's a win-win situation.
Yep, this is 100% correct. Since i did the 2.3 swap in my motor the car revs VERY fast, but what do i know, i'm just the only auto m45 in the 13's lol
To be honest, i doubt you really push your car to the limit because you can't be putting down that much hp at all with your mods.
Your car obviously hasn't taken the abuse because now you have ticking which is probably the wrist pin, lifters or timing chain. In my case i changed the timing chain assem and lifters and found out it was the wrist pin and i still have the piston and rod to prove it.
Check out my profile, gather some ideas from my build and you will see success with the m45 setup if built right.
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Publikdstrbnce,
Keep me in the loop of who does your engine work. My Cav just started down the road of a slow death from rod knock
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
190hp/170tq @ 6psi
LD9 for Life
Dry Sump > 2.3 pump.
My Cav
I give up...
i'm buying a VW those people love trees, so they should love eachother too... "Andy"
To the OP. Engine vibration is not as bad as you might think it would be. Infact it is hardly noticeable on my car and I even have urethane engine and trans mounts. I don't know how big of a difference it makes but my car has a manual trans.
Do you have any tuning done or did you just slap those balt SS injectors in?
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
In my 02, 2.3 oil pump swap and HO cams idled better stock. The idle didnt start to shake the car until the .430's went in.
Short Hand wrote:Dry Sump > 2.3 pump.
lol. I don't think he needs to spin mor than 8000 RPMs. I believe Aaron at TTR has one on his LD9, though.
I have no signiture
so your not going to be the bomb like tick tick anymore? (ahahaha you know i had to) those cam towers look a little dirty you should get them powder coated.
SO have you torn the motor down anymore? I want to see more pictures.
FU Tuning
i havent had the pleasure of doing my own 2.3 oil pump swap
yet but i can tell you about the two cars i have driven across the country in that did have the swap done...
neither one had issues with vibration. both of them got constantly beat on during a daily basis, no pre-mature bearing wear there.
if the vibrations and myths of bearing failure without the balance shafts are turning you away from such a great mod.. you really need to start thinking about just why your doing performance modifications to begin with.
vibrations are a part of performance, and in this case they are completely bearable if noticeable at all.
