I'm thinking of manufacturing a new supercharger kit for the 2.4L LD9. I'm thinking that I'd like to manufacture a manifold that would accept a common junkyard supercharger (i.e. m45, m90) and include all necessary mounting and installation hardware. My thought is that this would give everyone a much better shot at getting boosted on a budget. I've searched this forum and found a LOT of useful information for the project what I'd like to know is which supercharger should the manifold accept in your opinion and why?
The big problem isnt making a manifold, its making a cooling setup. Without a good cooling setup the potential is limited, and most people will not be interested.
There are a few problems with this. The more you try and include with a kit the more difficult it will be because there will be so many variables. The most easily found superchargers in the junkyard are usually worn out older generation superchargers that are not as efficient. Also an older M62 which would be the most commonly found supercharger is physically larger than the newer ones. An M62 is about the perfect size for a 2.4. The one from the cobalt ss and ion redline can be had for around 200-300 used. That is what is on my car. Keep in mind you get what you pay for. I did not want to bolt up some crap from a junkyard on my car.
As icemike stated the biggest problem with a supercharger is heat and making a cooling setup. Mike's right without a goood cooling setup the potential is severly limited and people won't be interested. One again if you want cheap just rember you get what you pay for.
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Thank you both for your prompt and accurate responses. What are your suggestions for solving the cooling dilemma? I agree that you get what you pay for, my thought however is that a good number of alero, grand am, cavalier, sunfire and malibu owners (with the ld9) have the desire to go faster but don't have the financial means to support it. I believe that this could give a MUCH less expensive alternative to the other supercharger kits available, albeit not as good as a new unit.
For cooling you need a Heat Exchanger set-up. SO you need a manifold with the Heat exchanger hooked up to it, or able to mount a core inbetween the manifold and charger.
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Your biggest problem is not what was mentioned before, it's that you're working on a dead platform, with a dead engine, with a bunch of cheap owners who whine instead of buy.
Good luck with your project but I doubt you'll make a penny after all the hard work you put into it.
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^wow.
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i've been seeing 2.4 sc kits going for 700-1500 lately.
I really don't think you going to be able to do much cheaper without completely sacrificing quality. But non the less if you can pull it off more power to ya!
Joshua Dearman wrote:^wow.
Hey you can't say it isn't true. Obviously there are a handful that will spend money and lots of it, but look at all the GP intrest threads... everyone says they want it and will buy it and vast majority is nowhere to be found when it comes time to put up the money. Look at the 03+ cavi A-pillar pods, there was like a thousand people who wanted them and when it came down to it Jason from A+ fronted the money for a bunch of them because so many people backed out it wasn't gonna get made, and that was only like $40 if I remember right. Or people will say that that will buy depending on price which really means no realistic price will make them buy, you have to give it away for them to consider it. It's never everyone who's like that but that is a common trend with interest threads.
there's already 2 companies that have tried to make this manifold. both haven't found enough buyers to front for the project. someone that does not know much about the process or having a company to back them, looks like this idea is a fail to begin with.
my carDomain updated 10/31/09 Forged and Supercharged
definitely a poor business choice if you do go through with it. there is there plenty of interest.. but that is all it is...
interest.
if you want to make something for you're car more power to ya. have at it and please post a progress thread with pictures.
everything from the GMPP bolt on m45 kit to a custom old school m62 with built in heat exchanger kit, to a custom air to air intercooled cobalt ss m62 to a custom m90 un-intercooled kit has been done here.
there is plenty of information, threads, posts you name it to get the job done if you are willing to read.
be my guest.
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Thank you guys very much for your input, I've not been a very active member so it's nice to have your experience on my side. Now the question without a unanimous answer: which performance part should be built that will have success in this market?
motor mounts for a bigger motor?
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
How about a 350? Are the motor mounts the same between the N body and the J body? The car that I'm prototyping off of is an 01 Alero.
No N-Body's have different mounts.
Well if anyone has any ideas for performance parts feel free to send me a message. Thank you all for your help.
im more of a turbocharger fan but instead of trying to solve the cooling problem of a roots type supercharger why dont you try to design a centrifugel type supercharger kit where an intercooler can be added. if you can design a way to fit it in there then i think that will be your best bet. price may be a factor with this type of kit though.
If memory serves, I believe that RSM Racing had a centrifugal supercharger kit that didn't see much success due to the very reason you stated: PRICE. Thank you very much for your input though, I'm still wide open for other ideas.
Something to do with the interior please.
id say motor mounts or something that would make a 3800 swap or similar motor a straight forward and do-able mod by many.. not sure how hard it is to do now or whats required, but i figured id just throw the idea out.. can only do so much with a 4 banger.. a v6 or v8 would be cool to have as a semi easy do-able thing..
12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
What type of interior components would you like to see? Also, I don't currently have a cavalier at my shop but I do have an Alero. I wonder if there's a way that I could create an ls motor swap kit that would fit N bodies and J bodies. Any help on this would be MUCH appreciated. I know the factory mounts are different but I'm trying to think outside the box a little. I guess I should tell you guys that I own Never Done Industries so you can see what little work we've already done. www.neverdoneusa.com is the website.
Clint Grover wrote:If memory serves, I believe that RSM Racing had a centrifugal supercharger kit that didn't see much success due to the very reason you stated: PRICE. Thank you very much for your input though, I'm still wide open for other ideas.
The RSM kit failed because it was a retarded setup from the start. No seasoned company would ever dare run the charger off of the cam. I understand "why" they chose to do that, but it still doesn't make it right. Price was but a minor issue there.
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Clint Grover wrote:What type of interior components would you like to see? Also, I don't currently have a cavalier at my shop but I do have an Alero. I wonder if there's a way that I could create an ls motor swap kit that would fit N bodies and J bodies. Any help on this would be MUCH appreciated. I know the factory mounts are different but I'm trying to think outside the box a little. I guess I should tell you guys that I own Never Done Industries so you can see what little work we've already done. www.neverdoneusa.com is the website.
I know a c/f hood for an alero would sell cause we have zero options on a c/f hood for the alero
http://www.fquick.com/Caboose73
I have a hood option that will be coming to market soon. It will initially be offered in fiberglass with a gel coat finish, but we will very likely do a carbon run on it a little later.
