im looking for some advice on what work needs to be done other than the turbo kit such as fuel injectors, better fuel pump, FMU, HpTuners, those sort of things. i also need some help on where to get some of that stuff such as everything ive listed above. ive been searching but i was wanting someone to maybe give me a first hand good or bad.any help or suggestions?
im thinkin about doin the same thing myself, i have the same year as u and im 2.2 ohv. get u a walboro 255 fuel pump, and hp tuners cant tune our year model only ecotec
matthew boger wrote:im thinkin about doin the same thing myself, i have the same year as u and im 2.2 ohv. get u a walboro 255 fuel pump, and hp tuners cant tune our year model only ecotec
there wasnt ecotec in 96 and all you gotta do is find a 97 2.2 ohv harness
8 psi with m62 and IAT under 100
matthew boger wrote:im thinkin about doin the same thing myself, i have the same year as u and im 2.2 ohv. get u a walboro 255 fuel pump, and hp tuners cant tune our year model only ecotec
I was going to keep my mouth shut, but fuc l< it, I can't... The ECO is not the only engine HPT can tune...... Use the damn search button Newbs....
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
what other tuning options are there for the 96 ln2s then without taking something off another car.
how big of injectors would be the minimum injectors? stock is 17lb/hour right? so would 20lb/hour be good if running 8-10llbs of boost?
fuel pump i would go racetronix, complete drop in and go for the most part, i made a diy post on the install
get the 97 harness, maybe 440cc injectors to give you some head room in the future
allen williams wrote:what other tuning options are there for the 96 ln2s then without taking something off another car.
Nothing.
the '96 is a bastard child, half breed pcm.
Swap to '95 manual pcm and burn chips, or swap to 97 and HPT.
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allen williams wrote:how big of injectors would be the minimum injectors? stock is 17lb/hour right? so would 20lb/hour be good if running 8-10llbs of boost?
No way in hell.... 2nd, you will need to either go with an EIC (extra injector controller) and add injecotors, or do a top feed conversion...
LAFNGAS wrote:fuel pump i would go racetronix, complete drop in and go for the most part, i made a diy post on the install
get the 97 harness, maybe 440cc injectors to give you some head room in the future
unfortunately the OP has side feed injectors.. Not as simple
P&P Tuning
420.5whp / 359.8wtq
Top feed isn't too hard if you know what you are doing
when you say swap to 97 does that mean like full wiring harness which would consist of every wire from ECU to everything else swap?
You would need the 97 ECU at a minimum, since that is what hp tuners interfaces with. I'm not sure if the 96 and 97 have the same engine harness, but if they don't, then yes, you will just need to swap the wiring harness as well as the ECU. Not too bad i would assume since all the sensors each have a unique plug, so you can't plug something in the wrong sensor.
okay so ive got things lined up to go get a intake manifold and fuel rail off a 98 2.2. my buddy owns a machine shop and they said they should be able to machine those injector holes larger. one more question tho. would Ford green injectors be a good swap they are 42lb/hour.?
okay just an update. ive got the manifold the rail and injectors are on there way. ive heard ppl say i need to bore my pistons and new rings and blah blah blah blah blah. at this point im plannin to run 8 - 10 psi is there any real need to do all that internal work? my head gasket was replaced 3k miles ago with felpro gaskets. so i dont see a need there. just looking for some input. this is my first turbo build so im goin in on a limb.
allen williams wrote:okay just an update. ive got the manifold the rail and injectors are on there way. ive heard ppl say i need to bore my pistons and new rings and blah blah blah blah blah. at this point im plannin to run 8 - 10 psi is there any real need to do all that internal work? my head gasket was replaced 3k miles ago with felpro gaskets. so i dont see a need there. just looking for some input. this is my first turbo build so im goin in on a limb.
No internal work needed, just make sure it gets tuned
properly.
Also, please pick just one post to ask questions in, us cheap-asses have limited posts...
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
would it be more efficient for me to use hp tuners or to take it for someone to dyno it?
allen williams wrote:would it be more efficient for me to use hp tuners or to take it for someone to dyno it?
You need a tuning solution either way, whether it's HP Tuners or Megasquirt (MS doesn't require a '97 ECU, but is substantially more involved). After that, I suggest that you try tuning it yourself to see how capable you are (you will need a wideband O2 sensor and gage to do this). If you just can't get it tuned on your own, or you don't want to buy a WBO2 setup (well worth it), then have the dyno guys tune it ($$$).
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
okay so ive been searching for megasquirt but im pretty much a noob at tuning. where can you get a megasquirt "kit" and what all would that "kit" consist of?
allen williams wrote:okay so ive been searching for megasquirt but im pretty much a noob at tuning. where can you get a megasquirt "kit" and what all would that "kit" consist of?
DIYautotune.com or ebay mainly.
You can get the ECU unassembled and do the assembly yourself (not that hard; I've done a few), or buy it already a$$embled. There are also other optional things to make it easier, such as pre-made and labeled wiring harne$$es, although the less you build yourself, the more it costs.
You will have to program the ECU yourself (including setting parameters, which isn't necessary w/ HP Tuners), and wire it up. If you have to meet emissions requirements, things can get a little more interesting, since you won't have control of the 'check engine' light like you do with HPT.
You may want to do some reading in the tuning forum here as well.
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
okay so ill figure out which to go with magasquirt or hptuners and ill post again.
i think im gonna go hptuners. the wiring harness wont be too bad of a swap. and itll give me something fun to do? lol okay so
this is what ive gotten.
no major internal work.
top feed conversion.
42lb/hr ford green top injectors
hp tuners / wiring harness swap from 97
next couple things to decide on....
im leaning towards the racetronix fuel pump that lafngas did.
any suggestions on a fule pressure regulator?
is there a big need for a FMU if you get it tuned good? ive heard different opinions on that one.
thanx for all the help guys,
allen williams wrote:itll give me something fun to do? lol okay so
You obviously haven't done much wiring lol
allen williams wrote:im leaning towards the racetronix fuel pump that lafngas did.
A little pricey/overkill for your power level IMO, but I'm a cheap-ass...
allen williams wrote:any suggestions on a fule pressure regulator?
My suggestion is to not get one because stock is fine as long as your injectors are sized properly and you're not looking at BIG power
allen williams wrote:is there a big need for a FMU if you get it tuned good? ive heard different opinions on that one.
If you have the right injectors and tuning software, then a FMU is nothing but added cost and complexity (one more part that can fail and lead to catastrophic destruction, like it did on my car).
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
OHV notec wrote:allen williams wrote:itll give me something fun to do? lol okay so
You obviously haven't done much wiring lolallen williams wrote:im leaning towards the racetronix fuel pump that lafngas did.
A little pricey/overkill for your power level IMO, but I'm a cheap-ass...allen williams wrote:any suggestions on a fule pressure regulator?
My suggestion is to not get one because stock is fine as long as your injectors are sized properly and you're not looking at BIG powerallen williams wrote:is there a big need for a FMU if you get it tuned good? ive heard different opinions on that one.
If you have the right injectors and tuning software, then a FMU is nothing but added cost and complexity (one more part that can fail and lead to catastrophic destruction, like it did on my car).
your right i havent done much wiring at all. but from what i understand hptuners is way better than megasquirt and in order to use it i gotta do the wiring swap.. yeah the racetronix fuel pump is like 150 bucks but it should be worth it. and yeah ive been pming ppl all day and ive decided stay with stock fpr and no fmu just to do the wiring swap and hptuners.
