I always thought they lowered the price on the new portfueler design? Got a quote and it was almost 2 grand! Holy Shnikies!! HPTuners, here I come!
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Talk to QBE, he is selling the full setup for CHEAP
Yep hit up Qwibby.
With respect to the price, you have to consider your getting a well designed sheetmetal intake mani, as well as a stand alone fuel management system. Some people drop a grand just on that type if intake mani. I'm not saying it is or is not worth it, but the port fueler price is not completely outrageous.
Thought it was more of an EIC (extra injector controller) than a standalone...
It is a stand alone. it controlls the extra injectors yes but it adds fuel when in boost and it's tunable a complete fueling system seperate from the stock system and it's controllable. which would put it in the stand alone fuel managment catagorey.
extra injector controller...
NOT A STAND ALONE!!!
RPM vs MAP are the only inputs....
can it run my car with out my stock injectors? no, hence why not a standalone
its amazing, I <3 it.... has brand new rc 550cc injectors
blackbird, theoretically it COULD but why? you can have complete drivability, and complete boostability, its so smooth
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I'm not saying it's good or bad... hell I want one. dont have the $$ but none the less its a EIC.
I would still hate my car if I didn't have the Port Fueler. Every single tuning woe I had, minus spark timing in boost, is gone now.
Yes it was a ridiculous amount of money to spend, but like I said I wouldn't enjoy my car nearly as much as I do now. If you can find it for a decent price, it's worth it's weight in gold as far as piece of mind and tuning ease is concerned.
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I just ordered this last week. ETD is the 7th of July cant wait...well i might have to because i still am missing the turbo manifold
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Qwibby {T3H Old QBE} wrote:its amazing, I <3 it.... has brand new rc 550cc injectors
blackbird, theoretically it COULD but why? you can have complete drivability, and complete boostability, its so smooth
Technically, it can't. Standalone means it controls all necessary components to keep the engine revolving. It's really a pointless argument, but yes this is an EIC (we can call it an IC if that makes you feel better, Phil .
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Agreed with whalesac. Unless it's also controlling timing as well as other functions of the engine, it's simply an external controller. In this case it controls 4 extra injectors.
It's too bad that nothing is being done with spark with this solution, but it does at least resolve a lot of the wonky fuel woes that most people are forced to deal with, while giving you a beautiful intake manifold.
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if i get the hahn racecraft portfueler. what else do i have to get?? i am building a 15psi turbo eco.
matt lyle wrote:if i get the hahn racecraft portfueler. what else do i have to get?? i am building a 15psi turbo eco.
Matt, I will attempt to answer your question(s) via addressing some of the other posts in this thread. Let me know if you still need more info afterwards!
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
Senorguitar wrote:I always thought they lowered the price on the new portfueler design? Got a quote and it was almost 2 grand! Holy Shnikies!! HPTuners, here I come!
Well after reviewing the thread in more detail, I can see everyone did a great job of explaining just how much equipment is in that cost.
To recap, a complete system consists of:
StreetRace sheetmetal intake manifold
PortFueler option on intake manifold: includes injector bosses, billet fuel rail, brackets and fittings
PortFueler control module, precalibrated and ready to run
PortFueler calibration software kit
PortFueler fuel injectors
Aeromotive 1:1 Billet fuel pressure regulator
Fuel hose/fitting kit (for integration into existing Hahn RaceCraft turbokit fuel system, can also be adapted to others)
So yes, it's quite the box of goodies, and all very proven to work together in glorious harmony, designed and tuned by yours truly.
The current generation manifold looks like this:
This is the same equipment used on the quickest street/strip J-bodies out there...Adam Hahn and Camron Fredrick. So, not only do they provde ths silky streetability their owners rave about, they also can put down the BIG numbers.
While PortFueler does not allow accomodate ignition adjutment, we never used anything but stock ignition curves on Adam's car when it ran as quick as low 11's @ 125 MPH. Further, for those who do wish to access ignition, it's just an HPTuners click away. While one is in there with HPTuners, some other niceties can be tended to, such as speed limiter and closed-loop delay, among others.
I also have good news...prices will soon be reduced on this product group. We've streamlined production, and are going to share the benefits with y'all. If you are in the market, sit tight for a while and keep in touch. You WILL be pleased by what you see!
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Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
stock ignition curves? So you left the 105kPa column as is from the factory and didn't experience any knock? Hmmm i'm sure that's on race fuel/100+ octane, but it's still impressive
Yessir. PortFueler and good octane took care of the rest, plus a little lower compression with JE pistons.
With the lower CR, we could run about 14 PSI on 93 octane with the stock ignition curve and the Super 20G, then 27-28 PSI on 110 octane...also with stock ignition curve. 406 WHP with this combo. Car never had a hiccup tuning wise.
Hell, we even had one pass where the FPR signal hose popped off, and the car went 11.70 @ 120 with the fuel pressure almost 30 PSI too low! AFR datalog on that pass scared me...18:1 all the way down the track, and even Adam could tell the power was off. I figured the engine woudl be hurt, but it shrugged it off...plugs looked lean, but no major detonation evident.. We fixed the FPR signal hose, next pass was another 11.4 @ 125, as if nothing ever happened.
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
None at this time, but if there were sufficient demand...alll it takes is an inital run of 10 units. Tell all your friends!
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
bill still waiting on a response from you.
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IamQwibby (Eco Meatcake) wrote:bill still waiting on a response from you.
I've not forgotten about you. I'm still trying to find a home for your trade-in...time's been short with the demands of the Florida move-in. Hopefully good news soon!
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Yessir. PortFueler and good octane took care of the rest, plus a little lower compression with JE pistons.
With the lower CR, we could run about 14 PSI on 93 octane with the stock ignition curve and the Super 20G, then 27-28 PSI on 110 octane...also with stock ignition curve. 406 WHP with this combo. Car never had a hiccup tuning wise.
Hell, we even had one pass where the FPR signal hose popped off, and the car went 11.70 @ 120 with the fuel pressure almost 30 PSI too low! AFR datalog on that pass scared me...18:1 all the way down the track, and even Adam could tell the power was off. I figured the engine would be hurt, but it shrugged it off...plugs looked lean, but no major detonation evident.. We fixed the FPR signal hose, next pass was another 11.4 @ 125, as if nothing ever happened.
gotcha - i was missing that lower compression pistons were in the picture. In any case, i wouldn't recommend running the stock ignition curve on pump gas and stock compression if an amature/intermediate tuner is street tuning it. I was always told retard at least 1* per psi - tune the fuel maps to get the desired AFR, then slowly add the timing back in and see what it takes.
I remember you recalling that lean event before and it's pretty crazy that it survived much less still ran a killer time!
You need not be concerned about our assertion that the stock ignition timing curve is quite safe with low boost and 93 octane. The part of this equation you may be missing is that the stock ignition curve is intentionally very conservative for the sake of safety on 87 octane or lower fuels. Now, were the stock timing curve already optimized on93, your rule of thumb of one degree per PSI would indeed hold true...but as anyone who's tuned one of these for max power normally aspitared can attest, its hardly even optimal timing for 87 octane!
Now of course, this varies from one application to another. However, it's been a fairly common practice in OEM tunes, an advantage we've been able to exploit on many of our bolt-on turbosystems.
Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft
World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com
