if you can figure out a way to get a kit for the LN2 with fuel mods (i'm talking about the fuel to run 15 psi) then i'll buy one.
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at least a company takes the time to piece together a collection of parts that a lot of people wouldn't be able to figure out on their own. i give him props for that.
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Here is my shopping list for a 03 eco ive been workin on for a while. Turn this into a kit for $2000-$2300 and youll make a ton of money, and have alot of happy customers.
Tial 38mm Wastegate $220+
Turbo T3 super 60/.48 AR $350+
or
T3 super 60/.48 AR with internal wastegate $400+
walbro In tank pump $105 255lph pump for a j-body. They'll also give you install kit #27 with the pump
Intercooler $150
Manifold Ebay $150 Exploited $350 Custom $??
blow off valve $30-150
nedle valve/restricor before turbo $03??
oil inlet adaptor to head $13
oil pressure guage $30
oil line kit $60 ebay
downpipe/flange $25
Wideband M-300 $340
boost gauge $25
fuel pressure gauge $20
spark plugs $15
charge pipes $friends auto shop
silicone connectors $30
25166922 gm sc injectors $200ish
or
RC Engineering 310cc $310 Injector adapter clips $50
Accell Adjustable FPR #74566: $90
Cartech Adjustable FMU: $180
tmnt328 wrote:Here is my shopping list for a 03 eco ive been workin on for a while. Turn this into a kit for $2000-$2300 and youll make a ton of money, and have alot of happy customers.
Tial 38mm Wastegate $220+
Turbo T3 super 60/.48 AR $350+
or
T3 super 60/.48 AR with internal wastegate $400+
walbro In tank pump $105 255lph pump for a j-body. They'll also give you install kit #27 with the pump
Intercooler $150
Manifold Ebay $150 Exploited $350 Custom $??
blow off valve $30-150
nedle valve/restricor before turbo $03??
oil inlet adaptor to head $13
oil pressure guage $30
oil line kit $60 ebay
downpipe/flange $25
Wideband M-300 $340
boost gauge $25
fuel pressure gauge $20
spark plugs $15
charge pipes $friends auto shop
silicone connectors $30
25166922 gm sc injectors $200ish
or
RC Engineering 310cc $310 Injector adapter clips $50
Accell Adjustable FPR #74566: $90
Cartech Adjustable FMU: $180
nice list. i hate FMU's but whatever floats your boat. and i'll tell ya, you'll be happier with the externally wastegated T3 on the TiAL wastegate.
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I've said numerous time the following things:
1) I don't purchase my items on ebay, I purchase them through specific people and companies. Ebay is CRAP in my opinion.
2) I stated when I made the post that the piping has not yet been CUT and that it would include MORE pipes and MORE silicon boots. The picture is more pre-production photo. We cut the piping depending on your vehicle when you place your order. I said that...
3) I'm working on getting a downpipe for this from a local exhaust shop down the road. They already have the flange, so I just need to get up there and get it done.
4) Fuel modifications are NOT even required for running a 3-4psi setup of boost on your Cavalier or Sunfire. If anyone does any form of research on this site and checks the FAQ, it clearly states the MINIMUM required for a turbo setup.
5) This is called the Base Turbo Kit. NOT the complete, stage 4 turbo kit.
Thanks for the interest and constructive criticism.
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IDEA:
when you make the title say:Turbo Kit -
READY TO SHIP
then damn well have it ready! you don't even have all the parts yet how could it be ready to ship? also to not even OFFER fuel upgrades seems kidna crazy.
your rushing into this and your not gonan have this crap ready when you get orders then your not gonan have anythign to ship then your gonan get crap form not being able to deliver. iv'e watched it happen once and at this rate it's gonan happen agian.
i'm glad someone is making an effort to make these kits but we haven't seen them on any cars, haven't seen pics of completed kits, and this really doesn't have the feel of a professional kit. i look forward to being wrong and yall getting this going but right now your rushing WAY too much to get out soemthign you don't even have yet.
Prices are still too high. Tha's all I've said from the beginning and all I can still say. You've added $600 more for an intercooler to come with the kit. I see about $350 more in profit coming from the kit with that addition.
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frankmckeever wrote:4) Fuel modifications are NOT even required for running a 3-4psi setup of boost on your Cavalier or Sunfire. If anyone does any form of research on this site and checks the FAQ, it clearly states the MINIMUM required for a turbo setup.
Frank, we all appreciate your effort to bring a wider more fruitful turbo selection to the market, but theres a few things we should get straight here. Now this is by no means an attack on you or your company, and I don't ever mean to sound like I'm preaching, so please keep that in mind. Just a few thoughts:
1.) The above quoted statement is not something a turbo company should suggest, or even say publically. It's your job to make sure your customers get boosted in a safe and reliable manner. I'm sure we can boh agree on that. The former statement seems contradictory to this ideal. The point: excuses for inadequacies will only cause a few people a ton of heart ache and you a ton of marketing share. On this note: I think theres much to be said of including fuel management with base line kits. Nothing is more important.
2.) You made a very bold statement in your initial post:
frankmckeever wrote:The kit includes EVERYTHING you need to run turbo on your cavalier or sunfire.
You need to be extremely careful about saying things like this. I know a new business can be exciting and that sometimes it's not always easy to keep from posting a billion thoughts at once, but I'd hate to see you quoted as being illegitimate or dishonest. You don't want to get a reputation for lying.... Too many of us have been down that road and I'm quite sure this forum is utterly disgusted with the notion.. I know I am..
On a lighter note, I think you have a lot of potential for success. I also think the suggestions for adding fuel management and a downpipe for the base kit aren't too off the mark. Probably add a boost/vac gauge to that list. You definitely wouldn't hurt your rep much by finding a better BOV to throw in the kits as they stand now as well. T-bolt clamps would really add some sac to your kit. Really a lot of little things along with the necessary stuff like fuel management could go a long way for you I think. Some people might disagree but we're just about grazing what I would consider a base
kit to be. Really without fuel management, its not a kit, its a collection. In my opinion, the people that have business buying a kit in the first place aren't looking to choose/research/buy a fueling solution themselves. They are looking for a forced induction solution in a single package. Complicating this choice is a move away from the very idea of a kit doesn't it?
Just my opinions.
Good luck.
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You really think a company should make a product/kit and not make any money off of it? You think $300 is a lot of profit? No matter what you've heard, it takes money to make money and to make more products for you. At just a $300 profit, he'd have to sell a dozen kits a month to break even on all "company bills" and R&D. I've been here since 99/00 and I've been pretty faithful, but I've never seen such a cheap crowd as the J-Body crowd. Lighten up. If you want a decent product, you have to pay for it.
Along with everyone else, I think you should add a few more things to the kit. 4psi is just a tease and most people will be wanting more than that after a few days. You really should consider more options to allow the consumer room to grow.
Is that a...a...a... a Cavalier?
I agree, the one thing I failed to mention earlier (forgive me) was that he DOES have to make a profit.
Part of the problem here is that most ppl know what they can get the parts for, myself included. Now, my $2400 didn't include:
Time to research
Time to develop a manifold
Time to make a manifold
Time to develop charge pipes
Time to make charge pipes
etc etc. The reason kits are so high is it takes quite a bit of R&D to get a real "kit" off the ground.... and in the end the company isn't going to eat that expense... they're going to pass it on. I can already tell you that my kit has 2 years of research into it, and 20 hours in 1/2 of the charge piping at this point.
The man DOES need to make a profit, BUT... with that said I'm looking at what's in that kit and I see about $1400 in parts. That's just me.
With all that said, Frank... I know what you're trying to do... and I'm not sure if this is worth it to you. Making an affordable kit for under $2500 that includes everything you need is SO hard to do, and even if you DO accomplish it, the J-crowd is gonna find a way to tear it down... plain and simple.
Everybody wants the best parts for nothing, and they expect the R&D to be free...
Personally I feel you have 3 options:
1 - Sell what you have worked on, with a very fair, upfront warning that the kit doesn't have any fuel mods, the IC piping will still need to be fabbed up, and there is no downpipe. It's not a full kit, and you do not guarantee it in any way. (Trust me on that last part people will jack the boost up "just to see", blow the engine, and then blame you with a big post saying 'THIS GUY SUCKS')
2 - Develop the kit some more, raise the price a bit, include fuel mods, downpipe and proper charge pipes, and a boost gauge.
3 - Give up. (Which is what I would do - I've seen at least 5 turbo companies go under now because of this garbage)
That's how I see it Frank. I give you a lot of credit for going out there and trying, but you're only halfway in my opinion and to jump in with both feet is terribly risky. So good luck with it if that's what you truly want to do.
-Chris-
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Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
