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auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Friday, May 01, 2009 12:35 PM
okay, im trying to figure out what tells the automatic tranny when to shift out of gear or into gear. the problem im having is my car after you get up to about 20-30 mph slips out of gear. its not a fluid level issue. and the shift lever appears to be attached and i can feel it clunk thru the gears but its like its in neutral. if i stop the car wait a few seconds put it in gear i can usually go but soon as i get going it slips out. when i dropped the engine in a few years ago i had a problem where the car would go but it wouldn't shift out of first. i ended up swapping out the sensor in the rear passenger side of the tranny and it fixed the problem. im wondering if that sensor can cause the tranny to not shift, could it also be causing it to shift out of gear an into neutral. i know the tranny isnt' leaking so if its out of fluid that means the tranny is burning it up which would require a new one. im just trying to rule out anything electronically related before i go and buy another tranny and swap them out because its personally not something i want to do.


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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Friday, May 01, 2009 1:36 PM
does it have selenoids? what year is the car? it could be the band and/or clutch plates worn out. It might also be a selenoid not turning on/off.
Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:26 AM
Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:39 PM
Yea i was gonna suggest the solonoid over the clutch plates.

Also Jason, check your IAT sensor. Did you get the screw in CAMARO sensor? or is it the stock one?

My Camaro IAT kept breaking off and it would cause my tranny to slip real bad. Just a thought.










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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:38 PM
david wtf? broke off?

i would definitely check that sensor you replaced before just in case.



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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Monday, May 04, 2009 8:27 AM
yeah im going to go ahead and buy the sensor for the tranny, think it was only 40 bucks the last time i bought it. havn't really looked at the iat sensor, but i do need to pull the throttle body off to seal up a leak so i'll see how it is, though unless its like melted not sure how i'll know if its broke or not lol.


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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Monday, May 04, 2009 10:00 AM
z yaaaa wrote:david wtf? broke off?

i would definitely check that sensor you replaced before just in case.


Yea, you know the blue little sensor thing that is on the end of the IAT sensor, that little thing keeps getting sucked off. Its been good for a while though, 20 psi the little blue thing goes byebye lol.










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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Monday, May 04, 2009 7:03 PM
wtf thats odd. i guess im not quite understanding what you mean... the sensor probe END? on a stock ld9 is red i think? that right? and has like a 'cage' around it?

so basically the sensor end is getting sucked off and into the engine? wow...

jason- the iat sensor isnt anywhere near your throttle body... unless aaron made it that way in the charge pipe? anyways... it should be stuck in your cold side somewhere in the area of the bov i would think...





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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:03 AM
Sounds like IAT sensor.

Brad I believe David is using the Camaro IAT in the HO manifold. It has a blue tip unlike ours with a red tip.



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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:31 AM
the iat sensor, that the thing davids talking about that sticks into your intake right? that would control shifting? would having it in the intake pipe pointing in the wrong direction cause that. some one school me a little on the iat, i didnt realise it had anything to do with shifting. maybe i should buy one of those today as well while im at the dealer.


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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:11 AM
oh god yes man. IAT is a BIG factor in transmission control... ive never understood why but ill be damned if the trans acted like it was going to explode with mine unhooked once. throws codes and does some real nasty stuff, hard shifting is the one i remember the most.

but yes... countless people come into this forum claiming trans issues and we tell them to check their iat sensor and 9 times out of 10 its what was causing the problems.

but having yours point backward wont have any difference or negative effects. it just reads the air temperature is all. you could leave it out of the intake track completely just so long as it remains hooked up and it would function just the same. just read in the wrong area is all.



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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:07 PM
z yaaaa wrote:wtf thats odd. i guess im not quite understanding what you mean... the sensor probe END? on a stock ld9 is red i think? that right? and has like a 'cage' around it?

so basically the sensor end is getting sucked off and into the engine? wow....


Sorry, yea I have the Camaro IAT sensor. There is a blue little thing inside the 'cage' on the end of the sensor that keeps breaking off.











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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:02 PM
i just had always thought the iat was strictly for the air fuel deliverty stuff not the tranny.




thats the thing with mine though, its not clunking its not running diffrent, doesnt make any sounds, just slips right out of gear. i bought the sensor on the back of the trans today, i'll likely try and pick up a new iat as well jsut to be safe and see what happens.


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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:51 PM
well sheeeeit...

dont know what to tell ya, man. hopefully those sensors fix the problem, and ultimately, hopefully your trans is ok.



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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:50 PM
sndsgood wrote:i just had always thought the iat was strictly for the air fuel deliverty stuff not the tranny.


Nope.... My guess is it uses the IAT reading to adjust the shift pressures according to temperature. So it compensates for the stiffer fluid when its cold out. I could be way out in left field too tho. I know having it unplugged makes the PCM think its REALLY cold out. My HPT config is setup to register down to -40 and when its unplugged its pinned on -40. It'll eventually throw the trans into limp mode.



Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:36 AM
well got the tranny sensor last night, was going to pick up the camaro iat at autozone last night but forgot when i picked my air cleaner up and dropped off my oil so i'll pick that up tonight and if i dont have to work late, hopefully i will get both of those on. i did get the car up on jackstands last night, checked the tranny fluid and had a court drain out which was basically the quart i put in in the parking lot so it is confirmed that i am not low in fluid. and i did pull my throttle body off and plugged up a bad hole that was causing a major vacuum leak. we will see how tonight goes. if these two sensors don't do the trick it looks like i will need a new tranny which will have to wait till after the bash. which mean i'll need to call and reserve a car hauler for the bash lol.


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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:07 AM
just an newbish idea.... but is it only at 20-30 mph that this happens? does it happen if you put it in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd yourself instead of Drive???





Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:32 AM
Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:41 AM
Any update on this yet Jason?










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Re: auto tranny, what controls the shift?
Friday, May 15, 2009 3:35 AM
after talkig to a few gm techs they feel that the sensor shouldt be causing it to slip out of gear, they said it could cause it to have rough shifts but not slippig out like mine is, they are saying it's the torqe converter slipping. so the tranny has to come out. see my new post in photos for more info.


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