Ok i was thinking of getting 18 up front and 20s and back is it possbile for 20s in the back . I got 18s rate now and im on bags i want to fill my wheel well up more in the back so i was thinking 20s is it going to be fine ? I no it wont lay out as much but will it still tuck up n there if i get a 42-45 off set?. and is 8 inch wide wheel to wide or no?? sorry so much just wondering if someone could help me out it would be great.
DONT DO IT!
staggering your wheel sizes is only recomended for vehicles with out 4 wheel ABS or vehicles that came from the factory with that same princepal. i wouldnt even stagger tire sizes on our vehicles.
you WILL cause your ABS computer to have a nervous breakdown.
even if you disable your ABS, your cars computer is not setup for it, and i would still not recomend it. if you want to fill the wheel well up more, drop the back end more.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
my old sunfire I unplugged my abs and ran wihout it for a couple years. It was just a pain in the ass in general to have it in there. Never had a problem without abs during that entire time. I say do the staggered setup. I run a staggered setup on my sunfire with 20s in the front and 22s in the rear.
Bagdfire wrote:my old sunfire I unplugged my abs and ran wihout it for a couple years. It was just a pain in the ass in general to have it in there. Never had a problem without abs during that entire time. I say do the staggered setup. I run a staggered setup on my sunfire with 20s in the front and 22s in the rear.
thats ok, im used to people not taking my advice... not like i install tires for a living or anything.
do what ever you please.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
::phew::
it really is a good thing you don't install tires for a living
Okay, someone doesn't understand a little thing called overall diameter.
You can stagger the WHEEL diameter, as long as the TIRE diameter stays the same. You're going to want to run a taller sidewall up front to match the diameter of the rears if you decide to do that.
I install tires for a living, I also go to Wyotech which = car education up the ass (I'd never recommend the school though), and know more than a lot of people about wheel fitments; width, diameter, offset, tire size, ask me about it.
i never said it couldnt be done, i said i wouldnt do it.
first off, the ABS needs to be disabled, other wise you will trip the computer right out and it will go all to hell.
yes, if it were to be done, the overall diameter of the tires would need to be the same.
i wouldnt recomend it because the car is going to ride like crap. the tires are going to be so thin that you will feel every nook, crevous, and pebble in the road.
when people come to my work and ask for something like this, i ask them 2 questions:
is it a muscle car?
if the answer is no, then i ask why?
if the answer to why is you think it will look cool, then i hope this thing is a show only car. this is not a practical setup for a daily driver car.
the other reason i wouldnt recomend it, is it is kind of pointless. generally when tires are staggard like this, the rear tires are wider. this will do nothing but create more drag on a front wheel drive car, and will only hurt performance.
there was a test done on plus sizing rims (cant remember who did it). they used a ford focus ZX3, which is supposed to have one of the best handling aspects of a car, hence why they used it on the Ford GT.
anyways, they took the focus and ran 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and i believe even 20" tires on it. after 17", the performance of the vehicle was decreased. the handling got worse and the acceleration got worse too.
like i said, if you want to do this, go ahead. but its more of a pain than what it is worth in "cool factor". if i went to a show and saw a staggard size on a FWD car, i think i would have to shake my head.
but like i said, do what you want to do. its your money and your car.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
Um I hate to say it but Goose is right. It is a HUGE pain in the ass running different size fronts then rears. Overall diameter is one thing but at a size 20 hes gonna have a rubber band wrapped around a train wheel ! I've seen our cars with these huge by big tires on them and IMO they look rediculous !! Your not driveing an Escalier ya know !!
Goose stop kidding us you really don't know what your talking about do you?
(sarcasm) You can only give advice man you can't make people follow it. You know the saying about leading a horse to water? Well? Same thing here.
Please listen to the pros. Just cause something CAN be done doesn't mean it should be done. Big difference!
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
wow
ok first of all, the ABS will not "freak out" it will see somethign isn't right with the wheel speeds and turn the ABS light, therefore the ABS wont work. It will not freak out and have a nervous breakdown.
You want to disable yoru ABS sismply pull the fuse, that should also take car of traction control if you have it.
A bigger rim doesn't mena you have a wider tire, if you want to get a bigger rim with a wider tire then fine, but just cause its taller doesn't mean its wider, its whatever you buy.
Your only real issue is gonna be the thin sidewall, if your gonna daily drive it you will more then likely pop out a sidewall or 2 from impact breaks in the tires.
hey goose dont talk to me like I'm an idiot bud. I'm not really one you should be giving advice on what should and shouldnt be done regarding wheels and tires. haha
whitegoose wrote:Bagdfire wrote:my old sunfire I unplugged my abs and ran wihout it for a couple years. It was just a pain in the ass in general to have it in there. Never had a problem without abs during that entire time. I say do the staggered setup. I run a staggered setup on my sunfire with 20s in the front and 22s in the rear.
thats ok, im used to people not taking my advice... not like i install tires for a living or anything.
do what ever you please.
so whenever we have an idea we should run it by you and if you dont like it then we shouldnt do it? thats pretty much how it sounds. your full of yourself, get over it.
why the @!#$ is everyone ganging up on me. i never said that it COULDNT be done. it is possible, but i wouldnt recomend it.
you can get a tire with the same width but with the way tires are constructed, it is almost impossoble to keep the same overall diameter and not have a tire thats wider. its just the way tires sizes run. there are some out there that are made that can match up fine with the same width, but it is really uncommon.
and bagged, its not that im full of myself. the guy asked for my opinion and i gave it. it is just that, an opinion. everyone is entitled to theirs whether it is right or wrong. some are educated on the subject at hand (which seems like everyone who replied actually is for once) and can give a better opinion.
basically, it comes down to finding a shop that will do it for you. if it was the shop i work at, i know we wouldnt because there is too much liability in it. how the hell do we know he is going to dissable his ABS, or not plug it back in 3 months down the road after its out of the shop.
and yes, it is possible to cause your ABS computer to fry. you need to be out 5% or something like that, i cant remember off the top of my head.
like i said, its possible but not plausible. its going to ride like @!#$. it might look ok, it might not.
like i said man, its your dime, do what you want with it. no matter what anyone tells you, if you have your heart set on it, your going to go through with it. im not trying to tell you cant do it, im just trying to warn you of the possible problems you may run in to so you arent surprized later.
if done properly, this can work. just like anything it needs some thought and time put into it. take your time, and do your reasearch, because its a long road ahead.
now if you'll excuse me, i need to go take my head out of my ass since im so full of myself.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
Uh just for the record Goose I agreed with you. Causeing your ABS modual to stop working and turn on the ABS light and throw a code is what I would call "freaking out" too.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
it is possible, but it doesn't lok good on cavaliers
CaviFL45
Jackalope wrote:Uh just for the record Goose I agreed with you. Causeing your ABS modual to stop working and turn on the ABS light and throw a code is what I would call "freaking out" too.
i know you werent arguing with me, i ment more or less everyone else.
and redecocav, there is nothing wrong with putting 20" wheels on your cav, just damn expensive thats all.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
Yeah I know, thats why theres a frown behind my statement.
-Brandon
Carlos F. wrote:it is possible, but it doesn't lok good on cavaliers
am i missing something? i think those rims are beautiful
Yeah, I agree with "whitegoose". 18"s are as big as you should ever go on a J-body.
Crappy fittment, terrible ride, and added drag aside, a huge problem with stupidly large rims is the addition of unsprung weight. That would probably be the main reason for a performance decrease when going bigger than 17".
If you feel that you need 22" rims to be cool, then you should be driving an H2.
Andrew Woodside wrote:Yeah, I agree with "whitegoose". 18"s are as big as you should ever go on a J-body.
Crappy fittment, terrible ride, and added drag aside, a huge problem with stupidly large rims is the addition of unsprung weight. That would probably be the main reason for a performance decrease when going bigger than 17".
If you feel that you need 22" rims to be cool, then you should be driving an H2.
wow someone has a closed mind. theres all different reason why people go bigger than 18s other than to be "cool". yes they do add extra weight but the majority of the people who have 19s and 20s have bbk
well since I'm the only one on 22s on this site with a j body...obviously that comment is directed to me. To put it simply, not everyone on this site builds a car for performance. I know that might just blow your mind, but its true. There other aspects just as bagged has mentioned. I also get the feeling that you're stating what people should be doing to be cool, without ever knowing what was cool yourself.
no body said putting 22's on your car was a stupid or uncool thing, but im just saying its not very streetable or practical. if you are building a show car, you are looking for that wow factor that will make the judges pick your car over the other guys car.
if the are is being used as a daily driver and is constantly street driven, something like 18's is not a good idea. no body is telling you what to do with your car, its yours and its your own money.
aftermarket wheels is something that you need to do alot of considering and questioning when you decide you want to go ahead with it.
from the guy who is taking it to the track, to the girl that is pimping the living hell out of it to take home some trophies at the big shows, they all have different needs.
being on 22's you can get the idea that you arent taking this car to the track with those or doing autocross. its a show stopper that you have built.
and back to the original idea in this thread that started all this, staggering sizes is not a good idea for the avreage person. for the guy trailering his car to a show, its could be fine. it is not a good idea for a car that is street driven daily because of all the problems that can be experienced.
basically, we can keep arguing on this topic for years to come, but all its going to do is be a waste of time. the person considering upgrading their wheels needs to decide for themselves what they want to do with the car then go from there.
to each their own.
Injection is nice but id rather be BLOWN!
i had 18'S and also 20's on my car and i loved them. and they wernt unsprung weight because i had them weighed b4 i put them on my car and they weighed the same as my stockers did. but the reason i no longer have them...well darkstars is right , the sidewalls will tend to give out and with alot of aftermarket rims if ur going a certain speed and that thin sidewall goes out u would have ruined ur rims. i had two blowouts both on my driverside at the same time and it shattered my rims...damn scorpians. but they replaced them for me because i brought a waranty with them, at the time i had 20's and then i went to 18's, but i ended up selling them cuz a guy i work with really wanted them for his girls car so i just sold them and now im back on stockers.... baby on the way is hindering any futher upgrades i had in mind for my car
I'm speaking my mind here. Just my opinion. I may feel that your automotive tastes are a bit "off", and you may very well feel the same way about mine. As was stated, people modify thier cars for different reasons. While some are into performance, others are into building a show car, or just upgrading thier daily driver.
If I've offended anyone, let it be told that your car is your car, and it will be modified as you want your car to be modified. I have opinions about your car just as you should about mine.
