So lets get some pics and opinions on the Cavalier with LS sport body kit vs the 03+ Z type kits
Buddy Club Ecotec Cavalier
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god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
lol regardless of the name
show me pics so I can decide which style to choose
I'm thinking of side skirts and rear bumper pre-03 and front bumper 03+ z OR aftermarket like Club J
Buddy Club Ecotec Cavalier
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So youre comparing the same kit?
blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24.
And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end.
Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24.
And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end.
Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
In 2002 (U.S.) there was a Z24 available until mid year available both in sedan and coupe. The LS Sport was a mid 2002 introduction. Both models had the lip kit and fog lamp bumper, but the Z24 had the 2.4 and the 2000+ painted Z24 wheels, the LS sport had the polished chrome wheels (with red bowtie center caps that changed to yellow 03+) and Ecotec. There is no mention of the Z24 in US literature but was produced. Also available was a base model with the sport package which had the lip kit and spoiler, uplevel suspension, but the bumper had no fog lamps, the mirrors and possibly door handles were unpainted, and the wheels were machine face versions of the LS sport wheels. Those just had the 2.2 OHV engine. The Z24 and base sport only had "Cavalier" badges on the decklid, while the LS sports had "Cavalier LS" badges. Only 2002 had the add on skirts on the front and rear bumpers, but the side skirts are carryover iirc.
Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24. .
00-01 z24 came with the 2.4, no lip kit.
02 z24 came with the lip kit and 2.4, 02 also offered the ls sport package(lip kit). ls sport package either consisted of the ecotec motor or the 2200,
(america)03+ no longer offered 2.4 nor a z24, only ecotec motor was offered and the ls sport kit was avaliable
(canada) 03+ no 2.4 but z24 was available just with a ecotec.
Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end. .
in 02 the ls sport kit came with front lip and rear lip, the side skirts were the same as offered on the z24 since 95(coupe only), the sedans had a boxy style like the newer ls sport.
for the bumpers yes the rear resembled all models in the 00-02 year. for the front bumpers the z24 had no lip in 00-01 but did have fog lights with the grill and area around the fog lights were not painted body color but were black.
in 2002 the front bumpers with the lip were offered with and with out fog lights and completely painted the same color as the body.
Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
correct
sorry if i sound arragant you said "correct me if i'm wrong. " lol
80sunbirdcoupe wrote:Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24.
And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end.
Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
In 2002 (U.S.) there was a Z24 available until mid year available both in sedan and coupe. The LS Sport was a mid 2002 introduction. Both models had the lip kit and fog lamp bumper, but the Z24 had the 2.4 and the 2000+ painted Z24 wheels, the LS sport had the polished chrome wheels (with red bowtie center caps that changed to yellow 03+) and Ecotec. There is no mention of the Z24 in US literature but was produced. Also available was a base model with the sport package which had the lip kit and spoiler, uplevel suspension, but the bumper had no fog lamps, the mirrors and possibly door handles were unpainted, and the wheels were machine face versions of the LS sport wheels. Those just had the 2.2 OHV engine. The Z24 and base sport only had "Cavalier" badges on the decklid, while the LS sports had "Cavalier LS" badges. Only 2002 had the add on skirts on the front and rear bumpers, but the side skirts are carryover iirc.
spot on. lol funny u beat me to it.
MRThompson (jrthompson) wrote:80sunbirdcoupe wrote:Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24.
And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end.
Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
In 2002 (U.S.) there was a Z24 available until mid year available both in sedan and coupe. The LS Sport was a mid 2002 introduction. Both models had the lip kit and fog lamp bumper, but the Z24 had the 2.4 and the 2000+ painted Z24 wheels, the LS sport had the polished chrome wheels (with red bowtie center caps that changed to yellow 03+) and Ecotec. There is no mention of the Z24 in US literature but was produced. Also available was a base model with the sport package which had the lip kit and spoiler, uplevel suspension, but the bumper had no fog lamps, the mirrors and possibly door handles were unpainted, and the wheels were machine face versions of the LS sport wheels. Those just had the 2.2 OHV engine. The Z24 and base sport only had "Cavalier" badges on the decklid, while the LS sports had "Cavalier LS" badges. Only 2002 had the add on skirts on the front and rear bumpers, but the side skirts are carryover iirc.
spot on. lol funny u beat me to it.
Lol, no hard feelings, after I re-read what I wrote, I noticed I put the wrong year in one of the sentences. And I knew about the engine differences. I have owned a 02 base model with the appearance package with the 2200 and a 02 LSS with the Ecotec, and now a 00 Z24 with the 2.4. I have never personally seen a 02 Z24 with the ld9 YET. Not saying there not out there, but I just haven't seen them. At least here in Chicago, I was told they were not available when I went and bought my second 02 and that they were only the LSS's. Either way, I appreciate the depth you guys went into detail. I was only talking about appearance aspect of them. Not trying to act like I know every single thing about these cars, because in all reality I dont, I just have had my fair share of them, and have owned 8 J bodies since I have been into this scene. Trust me, Im no Lenko lol. But I wasn't really wrong, you guys went into depth about the engines and such, and Im full aware that the 96-01 Z24's came with the LD9, the 95 Z24 came with the 2.3, I never knew there was a 02 Z24 with a LD9 (in the US anyways), But the 02 LSS came with the Ecotecs, and 03+ regardless if it was a LSS or a base came with only Ecotecs. But nonetheless, good job on clarifying that up, and thanks for catching my mistake. I really need to learn to read what I post before I hit the post button lol.
case and point 02 was a transition year, only year where the 2.4, eco and ln2 were all available as well as two different versions of bumpers, sideskirts, spoilers etc., etc., etc....
i didn't realize we were going to get this in depth about it lol
blucavvy wrote:case and point 02 was a transition year, only year where the 2.4, eco and ln2 were all available as well as two different versions of bumpers, sideskirts, spoilers etc., etc., etc....
i didn't realize we were going to get this in depth about it lol
LOL meh, me either its cool, next time, i beat you with wet noodles. Deal?
Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:MRThompson (jrthompson) wrote:80sunbirdcoupe wrote:Mike Z A.K.A SNEEZY wrote:blucavvy wrote:god damn canadian's. 03+ is ls sport. pre 03 is z24
Not knocking you, BUUUUUTTTTT NOT all pre 03's were Z24's. Case and point, me and a buddy of mine had the exact same car and they were 2002 Ls Sports, that came in later 02 with the Ecotec motors. Pre 02 they were only Z24's but IIRC (and I can be wrong) but 2002 and up (In the US that is) they were only called LS Sport and not Z24.
And the 02 Ls Sports only had a lip kit on them. The bumpers front and rear were nothing more then the 00-01 z24 front bumper with a add-on lip, and the rear bumpers were the exact same bumper from base to Z24, and the side skirts IIRC were the same except again, IIRC the 01 LS Sport sideskirts had that bend in the center of them and would flare out on each end.
Now the 03's to 05's (in the US) had complete bumpers molded for the LSS's and were not a simple add-on lip. Even the side skirts were re-done. Hope this helps ya out a bit. But anything 03+ if it be a Z24 (Canada) or LS Sport (US) are the exact same and have nothing different.
In 2002 (U.S.) there was a Z24 available until mid year available both in sedan and coupe. The LS Sport was a mid 2002 introduction. Both models had the lip kit and fog lamp bumper, but the Z24 had the 2.4 and the 2000+ painted Z24 wheels, the LS sport had the polished chrome wheels (with red bowtie center caps that changed to yellow 03+) and Ecotec. There is no mention of the Z24 in US literature but was produced. Also available was a base model with the sport package which had the lip kit and spoiler, uplevel suspension, but the bumper had no fog lamps, the mirrors and possibly door handles were unpainted, and the wheels were machine face versions of the LS sport wheels. Those just had the 2.2 OHV engine. The Z24 and base sport only had "Cavalier" badges on the decklid, while the LS sports had "Cavalier LS" badges. Only 2002 had the add on skirts on the front and rear bumpers, but the side skirts are carryover iirc.
spot on. lol funny u beat me to it.
Lol, no hard feelings, after I re-read what I wrote, I noticed I put the wrong year in one of the sentences. And I knew about the engine differences. I have owned a 02 base model with the appearance package with the 2200 and a 02 LSS with the Ecotec, and now a 00 Z24 with the 2.4. I have never personally seen a 02 Z24 with the ld9 YET. Not saying there not out there, but I just haven't seen them. At least here in Chicago, I was told they were not available when I went and bought my second 02 and that they were only the LSS's. Either way, I appreciate the depth you guys went into detail. I was only talking about appearance aspect of them. Not trying to act like I know every single thing about these cars, because in all reality I dont, I just have had my fair share of them, and have owned 8 J bodies since I have been into this scene. Trust me, Im no Lenko lol. But I wasn't really wrong, you guys went into depth about the engines and such, and Im full aware that the 96-01 Z24's came with the LD9, the 95 Z24 came with the 2.3, I never knew there was a 02 Z24 with a LD9 (in the US anyways), But the 02 LSS came with the Ecotecs, and 03+ regardless if it was a LSS or a base came with only Ecotecs. But nonetheless, good job on clarifying that up, and thanks for catching my mistake. I really need to learn to read what I post before I hit the post button lol.
no problem. just like you said its put out there for people to know. not throw the "i know more about a j than u do." attitude out there. i found out the info when i went looking for the lip kit for my 01 and then in return worked on a 02 ls sport with the 2200 and was like wtf? this is suppost to have an eco.
so i just thought i would throw it all out there. thinking maybe the op would have an better idea what he is looking for. just as anyone who reads it.
