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S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:11 AM
WILL THE BODY MOUNTS LINE UP

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56

Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:18 AM
Cavaliers don't have frames.





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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:20 AM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NO! Cavalier has a unibody frame. S-10 has a full frame. You could prolly rig something up to make it work.....




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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:35 AM




Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:35 AM
do you have any ideas

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56
Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:12 AM
Why not just put the 305 in a unibody, then just compensate for the frame twisting by a simple set of Strucural support bars.

Or you may be able to find another ase mechanic who knows how a car is put together.



Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:16 PM
just how many threads are you going to start about this?


i really don't think you're a mechanic, and i don't think you're GOING to be one. you don't know much about cars.




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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:25 PM
jbody305 wrote:WILL THE BODY MOUNTS LINE UP


ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE CONTROLLNG THE VOLUME OF YOUR VOICE


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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:26 PM
im just trying to take the right route on doing this , cuz it would really suck if i did it a ceartin way and after im done find out it would have been easier and cheaper to do it another way

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56
Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:29 PM
Jcavi wrote:
jbody305 wrote:WILL THE BODY MOUNTS LINE UP


ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE CONTROLLNG THE VOLUME OF YOUR VOICE[/quote







NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56
Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:28 PM
whats up with this site are only as$holes allowed to join?????????????????http://img1.jurko.net/avatar_1218.gif

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56

Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:07 PM
its nice you want to do this and that to your car. 350 engine swap. S10 frame. blah blah etc.
but i dont think anyone here on this site has done such things. we dont have enough money to do so. why do you think we all drive j-body's? and the people that have done such things are not on this site



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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:50 PM
How can you be a college grad is my question. Your b-day if you telling the truth is 1 one day past mine in the same year, 12/22/86, and 12/23/86.

I'm 19 will be 20. I have a trade school degree next month but not a college degree, how can you even have an assocaites degree by now?

Secondly I doubt you could fit a 350 in the engine bay. I have completly tore apart and rebuilt a 350 before, thing ran to once it was done.

The engine if you have actually ever seen one is pretty good size. There is no one way it could fit into the j-bodys engine bay.

If your truly are a mechanic as you say lets see you answer some questions.

Car comes into the shop,

1990 Chevy Caprice, the owner states the car dies intermittenly while going around turns.

Now what is the very first thing you should do, hint it is a GM vehicle, what does GM do that other manufactures dont do?

Another question for your bright mind.

1999 Pontiac Sunfire comes into the shop.

The owner states the vehicle is shifting late and has very firm shifts. An OBD II scan tool print out shows the following data.

TPS Volts 0.7
RPM 745
Desired idle 700
MAP 16.5 hg
O2 bank 1 435mV
PRNDL D
BOO = ON
SFTSOL 1-2 On
SFTSOL 2-3 OFF
SFTSOL 3-4 OFF
ECT 175F
IAT 76F

Now this car has come to my plcce before.with the data I just gave you,

You as a an ASE mechanic should see instantly what is wrong with the vehicle.






- 2004 Cavalier - 124k, owned since new



Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:14 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^ can i take a guess at the sunfire one????

assuming it an auto, id say that your trans sensor thing is unhooked or damaged, not sure what its really called. kick down cable???
or that the trans is going.

im not a mechanic, i just rip cars apart. but that my guess. as for the caprice, i have no idea.


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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:25 PM
SUPERFASSSSTZ, T.Ocav soon wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^ can i take a guess at the sunfire one????

assuming it an auto, id say that your trans sensor thing is unhooked or damaged, not sure what its really called. kick down cable???
or that the trans is going.

im not a mechanic, i just rip cars apart. but that my guess. as for the caprice, i have no idea.


I will post the answers in a few days on the board, check your PMs though I sent you the answers


- 2004 Cavalier - 124k, owned since new



Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:08 PM
this is j-body.org

Displacement= 2.2L
Valve Train= OHV
Bore & Stroke= 3.50 x 3.46
Compression Ratio= 9 to 1
Net HP @ RPM= 125 @ 5200
Maximum Torque Ft Lbs @ RPM= 135 @ 4000
Fuel System= MFI
Normal Oil Pressure: psi @ 3000 RPM= 56
Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:30 PM
oops, double post




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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:39 PM
Caprice has no baffles in the tank or the fuel has sloshed out of reach of the pickup. The Sunfire probably has a bad torque converter lockup switch or solenoid.




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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:19 PM
You should never be allowed near cars again.




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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:44 PM
Ansers to the questions.....

Since the poster obviously didnt answer and has no clue what the answer is I will give it them for those wondering.

The Caprice.

On GM vehicles only the oil pressure switch is wired through the fuel pump relay. This way if the oil pressure drops to low, it cuts power to the fuel pump relay, therefore causing the engine to stall, and saving it, hopefully.

The Caprice was 1.5 quarts low on oil, when the owner took a turn it was just enough to close the contacts on the oil pressure switch, and therefore causing the engine to stall out.


The Pontiac.

First before explaning we must make sure everyone has a basic understand of MAP sensor operation, and what this does to transmission shifting. The PCM gets an input from the MAP sensor, as to what manifold vacuum is.

When manifold vacuum is higher the car is either idling, or cruising, if it is low, the car is being applied throttle. The lower it is, the more throttle being applied.

As you can notice from the scan tool data. the car was at idle. However manifold vacuum was 16.9Hg, at idle it should be 21Hg.

The MAP sensor hose had a crack in it. It dropped the manifold vacuum all the time. The computer though the owner was nailing the gas all the time. Therefore it was delaying the trans shifting, and giving a firm shift.



- 2004 Cavalier - 124k, owned since new



Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:08 PM
Ah, i see, was thinking about the oil thing on the Caprice, consoled withmy dad and got what i posted. Odd that it seemed like some other odd things for the Sunfire though, but i personally dont know anything about what the scan readouts mean for the most part.




Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:07 PM
jbody305 wrote:this is j-body.org


and you are "ASE Certified." I put it in quotes because it sounds more like you are BS Certified. Nobody here is fooled. ANYONE that would have the mechanical ablities to swap a 305 in a different car would know that a j-body doesn't technically have a frame, let alone body mounts.

Tell me one thing, have you ever pulled and replaced an engine and had it work?

Swaping an engine into a vehicle it doesn't belong in is not only hard, it is WAY more complicated than you think. Step one in the process would be finding out if it even physically fits in the engine bay. I am 95% sure it would not.

FYI, from the sounds of your other threads you sound very confused. Engine mounts are not universal. Its not a matter of pulling one, dropping in the other, and hooking everything up. You are looking at probably 150 hours of work for an engine swap like this.

A SHOP which does this for a living took a little over a week to do an engine swap in a Jeep. Jeeps are probably one of the easiest vehicles to put a different engine into. What you are trying to do is nearly impossible because you are going to end up having to make some kind of axle in the rear...


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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Friday, July 28, 2006 2:45 PM
my car has a tube frame from the factory an is widend and is lifted in the rear because of my massive tail lights...I mean system


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Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Friday, July 28, 2006 5:35 PM
Jcavi wrote:my car has a tube frame from the factory an is widend and is lifted in the rear because of my massive tail lights...I mean system



LOL, carefull ill quote you on it.



Re: S10 FRAME VS CAVALIER
Friday, July 28, 2006 6:35 PM
hahaha ehahahaha

sorry, but seriously, I think the JBO found a new tool



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