ok, this summer i wanna start building my 05 cavy. my problem is that i dont know if i wanna go all motor or forced induction. i want to go all motor because i dont see many people going that route, plus i can save up a little at a time and slowly become quicker, and forced induction because it is a little cheaper, i save gas when im out of boost, and i become super quick instantly. can yall help me with the pros and cons of each? i mean i know them my self, but i want to hear what yall think, like reliability, durability, and other factors. thanks!
Really Id like to think that anything other than stock will be naturally less reliable then stock is. However if you do things the "right" way, and make sure not to leave loose ends or forget to upgrade something, then you should have strong reliability with anything you decide to do.
Id say a safe assumption is that youll have less maintenance with a n/a motor, as turbos need to get rebuilt and superchargers do as well, but if you again do everything the right way and dont go cheap, it shouldnt be a big issue.
Honestly Id say n/a because not many people do it, but if its gobs of power you are after, boost is for you.
Hey man welcome to the site, dont be suprised if this thread gets sent to the performance or racing forum though. people are picky here, but thats one of the good things, it help filter out the dee dee dees
Hey shifted, I'm pretty sure they meant that it cost more to make a NA car run the same 1/4 mi times as a car that just has a Turbo slapped on it and not much else. Personally, if I could afford it I would go boost (and I'm gunna if I ever have the means), I love turbo's. There is a certain satisfaction of having a fast NA built car though. If you have the money and time do both
----> build the car up strong doing everything you can to make it stronger and faster NA, but will work good with the turbo you plan on installing, then when your done with all that, boost it and tune it. Gobs of power and reliable as you can reasonably get. As for a running Nitrouse..I'm afraid of it, and it's usless anywhere other than a drag strip. Thats what I'd do If I had the money and place to do it.
Start out easy. Turboing a non-turbo car isn't the best first project (and this sounds like your first project) and has a steep learning curve that can lead to expensive mistakes. If you have the money, time, patience, and resources (local help/some knowledgable friends) then by all means go for the turbo, if not, don't waste your time. There's nothing worse than half-assing a turbo install and ending up with an unreliable and slow car. However, if done right, a turbo car can be just as reliable as a stock car.
My recommendation would be to do all the simple and cheap bolt-on stuff first, learn as you go and watch your car get faster mod by mod. Then when you've run out of bolt-ons, get a nitrous kit. The install is relatively easy and will be good learning experience, not to mention the results are instant and the most power you'll get for the money. Inspite of what many people that have never used it will say, it's plenty safe when used smartly and is definately a lot of fun. So don't get scared away from it.
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'96 GSX
towed more often than driven
Low Boost - 12.31 @ 115
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thanks you guys, i think it is a good idea to start small, so i will go all motor. now after i/h/e, would you suggest head work, or just deal with the cams, or something else?
After I/H/E i would suggest some new cams.
also things like engine and tranny mounts are good starting mods.
Once you done going N/A you can always get a GM supercharger. Its usually last longer then a turbo and seems more reliable.
But dot forget with more power your going to sometime have to upgrade your tires, suspension, and brakes.
The GM superchargers only run @ 4psi, wich really doesn't amount for much increase in performance for the $2500 (just for the parts). I thought about instaling one if I could get a pully small enough to grank it up to at least 10psi.
Well - I've read of some pretty wild N/A builds for the Ecotec of over 200whp.
If you end up considering the Boost option - I would suggest a N/A build that is much milder say 150-175whp range.
Also - point of note - taking apart the motor will void your regular warranty.
I believe the eco supercharger is closer to 9psi stock. Whih will get you over 200 hp for $2600..not a bad way to go and its instant...phil
All Motor, if you do it right... It will be a good running, bullit proof engine.
Forced Induction, if you do it right... It will be a good running engine.
However, No 3G Jbody Engine was designed to take alot of boost, so if you mess up one time, it's done.
Why not do both? Then you can have a monster.
A Built Forced Induction engine will be a power hungry ogre of an engine.
what's the details on your car?
Sell it and buy a faster car. It will be more reliable and you wont have any hassles.
