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2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:21 AM
From Motor Trend:













2011 Honda CR-Z
A Whole New CRaZe? Honda Defines The Sport-Compact Segment. Again.
January, 2010 / By Ed Loh

The letters stand for Compact Renaissance Zero and announce Honda's goal of transforming the automotive landscape with a compact car that produces negligible emissions. As implied by renaissance, Honda has been down this road before: In name and silhouette, the CR-Z is clearly meant to trigger fond memories of the original Honda CRX. That little coupe helped foster and legitimize the Japanese, front-drive sport-compact craze. Light and snappy handling, the CRX proved a high water mark for the era, especially in canyon-carving Si trim. Heck, we picked the CRX as our Import Car of the Year in 1984 and the redesigned CRX Si again in 1988. But the CRX's most enduring legacy might come from the high-fuel-efficiency HF model, which managed an impressive 50 city and 56 highway mpg on the old EPA cycle (41/50 mpg adjusted to 2008 standards). No surprise that Honda cites that gas sipper as the impetus for the 2000 Insight, the first hybrid car sold in North America.

Though 15.9 inches longer (9.3 inches of that between the wheels), 4.6 inches wider, and 4.1 inches taller than the original CRX, the CR-Z shares many characteristics with that car and the tadpole-shaped first-generation Insight. All are two seat (2+2 in Japan and Europe), front-drive coupes with wind-cheating Kamm-back profiles and vertical rear-deck windows. All come equipped with tiny four-cylinder engines and manual transmissions, though only the Insight and CR-Z have the hybrid raison d'etre, Honda's Integrated Motor Assist system.

This powertrain is the sixth and latest iteration of the one in Honda's other two hybrids, the Civic Hybrid and Insight, and pairs a small displacement, four-cylinder engine, in this case a 1.5-liter, 16-valve single-cammer, with a brushless DC motor positioned in place of the flywheel. The 10-kilowattmotor/generator pulls double duty, helping accelerate the CR-Z and capturing kinetic energy in a 100-volt nickel metal hydride battery during braking and coasting. Engine and motor combine to deliver 122 horsepower and 128 pound-feet of torque (123 pound-feet on CVT-equipped models), making the CR-Z the most powerful hybrid in Honda's lineup, but also its least fuel efficient. With the standard six-speed manual, Honda estimates the CR-Z will achieve an EPA rating of 31 city and 37 highway mpg. With the optional continuously variable transmission, mileage improves to 36 city/38 highway mpg, but that's not great for a hybrid, especially one sprung from the loins of the original Insight, which managed a staggering 70 highway mpg (61 in 2008 parlance).

So the CR-Z is a massive step backward? No. Recall the last part of the mission statement buried in those three letters. Z stands for zero and that's exactly how the California Air Resources Board rates the CR-Z. CARB has bestowed the CR-Z with its own snappy acronym, AT-PZEV, which means Alternative Technology-Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. This is the cleanest rating given to vehicles with internal-combustion engines and means no unburned fuel escapes into the atmosphere. In comparison, the original Insight managed a nice, but still slightly dirty Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle status. But dwelling on mpg and emissions misses the other key element of the CR-Z: Honda claims it will be sporty and fun to drive.

Think that's just not possible with the CR-Z's output? Remember, the 1988 CRX Si managed to make a lot of hay with only 1.6 liters and 108 horsepower. True, at roughly 2700 pounds, the CR-Z is significantly heavier, but it also has more power and torque. We estimate its 0-to-60-mph time at about 8.5 seconds.

Not fast, but neither was that CRX, much less the original Insight. In truth, the fun-to-drive element should come from the handling department-a traditional Honda strength. Though the CR-Z trades the CRX's control-arm suspension for sport tuned MacPherson struts up front and a torsion beam in the rear, our expectations are high. The setup is similar to that on the slow, but imminently tossable Honda Fit.

For additional sportiness, Honda has given the CR-Z vented-front and solid-rear disc brakes (the Insight uses rear drums), as well as a new three-mode powertrain controller that allows the driver to select among sport, normal, and economy driving modes. The last two modes are familiar to anyone who has driven the current Insight. Normal mode provides baseline settings for engine response, electric motor assist, air conditioning, and the electrically assisted rack-and-pinion steering. Economy mode tweaks all these, except steering, for maximum efficiency and economy while sport mode sharpens throttle response, steering effort, and electric motor-assist strategy in the name of performance.

For CVT-equipped CR-Zs, paddle shifters provide a bit of additional sportiness; sport mode holds the selected ratio without "shifting." The selected mode also determines the glow of the tachometer's inner ring: blue for normal, red for sport, and between blue and green in economy mode depending how you drive. To encourage green driving, the CR-Z offers the Eco Guide and Eco scoring feature also found on the Insight.

Standard features on the CR-Z include the six-speed manual with hill-hold assist, stability control, a six-speaker audio system, automatic climate control, power windows/door locks, remote keyless entry, cruise control, and 16-inch alloy wheels. EX trim adds such conveniences as auto on/off HID headlights, foglights, 360-watt premium audio, Bluetooth connectivity, perforated leather-wrapped steering wheel, an armrest/storage bin center console, and available satellite-based navigation.

So, is Honda the first to offer a sporty, fun-to-drive, (near)-zero-emissions vehicle? No. Tesla and its electric roadster already have that trophy in the bag. Where Honda breaks ground is that the CR-Z will be available to the masses. Pricing has yet to be released, but Honda plans to slot the CR-Z between the Insight and Civic Hybrid-likely in the mid $20,000 range for a well-equipped EX version.

Sporty, affordable, and environmentally friendly? Let's hope this really is the start of a whole new craze.



Ok this looks weird...jump seats?












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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:40 AM
I dislike the outside of the car, inside looks pretty sweet.











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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:44 AM
Wow... looks like an ugly ass insight.



Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
how does the late 80's early 90's ones look better than this?



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 AM
I'm on the fence with the styling. The outside to me is ok, the dash cluster however looks too busy.
But really i'm interested in the technology of this car. It's a fascinating idea using electric motors to enhance acceleration instead of boost.






2007 Corvette Z51 | Suzuki Swift GTi SCCA racer | 2008 Edge
Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:05 AM
ewwwww....

The current gen of Hondas have too many sharp lines. IDK WTF they are thinking.



Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:16 AM
"Honda Defines The Sport-Compact Segment. Again"

More like creates Fugly car for the retarded, again



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:51 AM
if it were truly for the retarded you'd have a deposit check on one already.



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:01 AM
I don't see this as being a soild move. From the B-pillar forward, it's really quite good. From there back, it's like they just winged it in a hurry. I hope they do some other versions as well without that rear end treatment.




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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:04 AM
Eh, I like how it looks, and it's been a long time since I've really said that about a compact car...
Definitely not going to be getting the typical "it looks like a ____ crossed with a ____" that are oh so common recently.
I sure wouldn't want to have to work on it though




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:06 AM
Like i said Bill i'm on the fence about the styling so I'm right there with you on that. To me it looks like 2 different cars glued together awkwardly. Great technology there but a poor way to showcase it. But i hope it sells like hotcakes so more companies see there is money in this kind of performance technology and jump in with better and better entries.






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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:12 AM
I like that they chose a torsion-beam rear axle. Just like a J or a Cobalt. And it's a damned fine working system, so it's no surprise that Honda is utilizing it too. Light, simple, effective, and can handle like a slot car, with zero camber deflection in turns.

The 8.5 second 0-60 is a bit sleepy...what are you referring to when you say "performance technology"?



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:53 AM
Defiant wrote:with zero camber deflection in turns.
Um, that's not necessarily a good thing. Optimized camber curves are ALWAYS superior.




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:09 PM
OHV notec wrote:
Defiant wrote:with zero camber deflection in turns.
Um, that's not necessarily a good thing. Optimized camber curves are ALWAYS superior.

True, but in this day and age of McPherson struts, undesirable camber deflection is the typical result. A twist beam axle suffers no such issue, always maintaining perpindicularity.

Unequal-length A-arms will help optimize camber under suspension deflection, but unfortunately, the rubber bushings they must also carry cancel out much of this effect; the compliant bushings erase much of the camber advantage gained. Needless to say, these type A-arms are typically found on performance cars like Solstice and Sky, and are more and more rare in less-sporting models.





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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:12 PM
Defiant wrote:The 8.5 second 0-60 is a bit sleepy...what are you referring to when you say "performance technology"?
Think of how much a dog it would be without that boost from the electric motor. This is a new technology, that when applied better could replace turbos/SC in the future. 8.5 is nothing amazing but the CRX and now this thing were never straight li8ne cars. It's all about AutoX, whipping around turns on your favorite twisty road. For that duty this set up is just fine.






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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:29 PM
Ah, the electric motor "boost". Yes, this is a fun new technology. I am sure its just a matter of time before it gets into some really fast applications.

Yes, I'll bet this car can handle well. It has the same suspension design as a Cobalt TC, and they are flat amazing!






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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:58 PM
You know Bill, there are people that will tell you the cobalt's torsion-beam rear axle sucks and a dinosaur suspension technology. But at the same time pretty much every auto magazine last year praised and very much threw out top notch kudos to the Cobalt SS's amazing agility. Many claiming the Cobalt SS/TC as being the best handling FWD car for sale today. If it works why bash it?
And the Electric motor boost, I mean with what amazing things Tesla is doing with just all electric motors. Could you imagine what a car with a small engine that has slightly better HP rating (say a 2.2 ecotec) mated to the kind of firepower Testa is making. Delivering a 250+ immediate whp and 40 mpgs? We live in some amazing times. And this car is just the starting point to what this technology can do.






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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:00 PM
It was much more atractive as a concept. I agree with Bill, back half is fugly.



the bigest disapointment is the specs, it's a hybrid yet the Fit rivals it's combined milage while still providing more room. I don't see the point of this model, it's like they wanted middle ground between the Fit and Insight.... Why?



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:02 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
there is tons 'o money to be had in the nostalgia for the old CRX.






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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:06 PM
Evol...??? wrote:You know Bill, there are people that will tell you the cobalt's torsion-beam rear axle sucks and a dinosaur suspension technology. But at the same time pretty much every auto magazine last year praised and very much threw out top notch kudos to the Cobalt SS's amazing agility. Many claiming the Cobalt SS/TC as being the best handling FWD car for sale today. If it works why bash it?
And the Electric motor boost, I mean with what amazing things Tesla is doing with just all electric motors. Could you imagine what a car with a small engine that has slightly better HP rating (say a 2.2 ecotec) mated to the kind of firepower Testa is making. Delivering a 250+ immediate whp and 40 mpgs? We live in some amazing times. And this car is just the starting point to what this technology can do.

You misunderstand me. I was not bashing, there was no sarcasm.

You may not recall that when the Cobalt was introduced some years back, a thread here bemoaned the fact that the torsion-beam rear suspension was carred over from J. I was the lone voice stating that this is in fact a GOOD thing. I personally own a Cobalt TC, and everyone is right...it is the best-handling FWD car ever developed. It's flat amazing.

Tesla is cool for sure. Pure electrics are really starting to come into their own, and electric boost setups like this one on the Honda will continue to evolve too. You are 100% corect




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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:27 PM
Darkstars wrote:It was much more atractive as a concept. I agree with Bill, back half is fugly.



the bigest disapointment is the specs, it's a hybrid yet the Fit rivals it's combined milage while still providing more room. I don't see the point of this model, it's like they wanted middle ground between the Fit and Insight.... Why?

Hell yes! That looks SO much better.

Perhaps they are going after the greenies who want to feel respected by being in something that LOOKS Insight-ful, has some electirc cred, but with a sportier edge.



Bill Hahn Jr.
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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:34 PM
car is fugly. interior is nice



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:37 PM
99redz24 wrote:car is fugly. interior is nice


this right here.



Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:34 PM
Since this is kinda like a new school CRX they should have used the next in line...Y then it would be the CR-Y. Because CRY is a better name since thats what the design makes me do, lol.



Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:57 PM
haha, i dunno its weird, im torn because it looks like a sexy sports car up until u hit the b pillar... then it looks like honda sharted out a rear end and stuck it on...



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