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Wow way to go Mr. Magazine racer. How many LT1's have you seen run?
Magazine racer? I have been drag racing since 1989, how about you? I have literally seen hundreds of LT-1's run, my former club G.M.M.O.C. (GM Muscle of the Carolinas) had plenty of members go to the track with me, and I lived 3 miles from an 1/8th mile track when I owned my house in North Carolina. How long have you been racing son? Know some facts before opening your mouth and attacking me.
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My AUTO 96' ran 14.0 BONE STOCK with tractions issues.
Good for you. It is still much slower than an '01 Cobra. Let me inform you since you don't have a damn clue as to what a Cobra is capable of in the right hands, or maybe your reading skills are just not up to par with the average 8th grader. 1996 and 1997 Cobras average in the 255 rwhp range and were mostly in the high 13 second range. 1998's got a more aggressive tune and 265 rwhp and were capable of running mid 13's (Bob Cosby ran 13.4 at 104 in his 1996 bone dead stock on street tires). The '99 and '01 had a lot of revisions and were low 13 second capable at 105.5 to 106. I was there when PHP ran a 12.96 with just DR's in a then new '01 Cobra with no mods. I have also driven my friends 96 Cobra many times down the track back home and his friends WS-6 Ram air 96 T/A auto as well. Those 2 were fairly close in ET's but the Cobra trapped consistently 2 mph higher (82 versus 80 in the 1/8th) at an 800 foot altitude 1/8th mile track, DA in the 1500 foot range.
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With just an exhaust i was in the 13's. My last 96' i had with a stick ran 13.7 also stone stock. It doesnt take much to make an LT-1 crank. A decent LT1 will get and LS1 out of the hole, but lack on top end compared to the LS1.
Has anyone disputed this? Why are you arguing it then? And thank you for showing that they are both still slower than an '01 Cobra, especially with mods.
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an 01' Cobra will NOT run deep in the 12's with gears exhaust and intake.
And how many '01 Cobras have you seen run with gears and exaust? I have seen at least a half dozen of them. 4.10's will take a half second of ET of the undergeared Cobra. The exaust gets rwhp up into the 290 range (they were 275-280 from the factory) and are easily capable of runing deep in the 12's. If you doubt it, we can go to the Corral and see what the results to the question will be. The car has been tested by many sources to 13.3 bone dead stock with autoweek getting a 106 mph trap speed out of it. Of the 2 that ran at Martin this past summer consistently with these exact mods, one was running 12.7X at 108 with street tires, the other turned in the 12.5 range with DR's, can't remember the trap. While these times are not exactly blazing they are consistent to what a 6spd '01-02 LS-1 will do with sticky tires and a lid.
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Ive seen alot of newer mustangs run like @!#$.Quote:
Drivers are everything. The kid I ran in his stock '00 at Stanton was running consistent 13.9's at 100 last May when the track opened. Same day another guy in his Bullit couldn't break mid 14's at 95-96 to save his life and lost to the same kid I had smoked badly.
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Dont get my wrong i like the new stangs but they dont respond to mods like they used to.
Is this why the 4.6 SOHC has been built to run 340 rwhp naturally aspirated? Is this why Bob Cosby in his 99 held the NMRA Stock eliminator record with an et in the 11.40's (which has since been broken)? I talked to Bob last year at Martin about his car, it was just lots of good hard work and blueprinting that got him those times along with good driving. Stock eliminator is a very restrictive class.
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Give me an old fox body 5.0 anyday. Go to any camaro forum..or hell even a mustang forum and ask these same questions. Mustang owners know who in charge here. Im just glad i down own either. 430HP LT4 all the way.
It's sure as hell not the LT-1 or an auto LS-1 against the '01 Cobra with mods, and this was the point I was making and somehow escaped you. I will be happy to take you up on either of these offers, I have been on CamaroZ28.com for over 6 years and am in the top 5 posting wise, or I can take you up on that offer on the Corral or Stangnet where I have been a member just as long. ANd if you are ever in West Michigan be sure to tell me, I would love to show that 430 hp LT-4 some tail lights
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Wow way to go Mr. Magazine racer. How many LT1's have you seen run? My AUTO 96' ran 14.0 BONE STOCK with tractions issues. With just an exhaust i was in the 13's. My last 96' i had with a stick ran 13.7 also stone stock. It doesnt take much to make an LT-1 crank. A decent LT1 will get and LS1 out of the hole, but lack on top end compared to the LS1. an 01' Cobra will NOT run deep in the 12's with gears exhaust and intake. Ive seen alot of newer mustangs run like @!#$. Dont get my wrong i like the new stangs but they dont respond to mods like they used to. Give me an old fox body 5.0 anyday. Go to any camaro forum..or hell even a mustang forum and ask these same questions. Mustang owners know who in charge here. Im just glad i down own either. 430HP LT4 all the way.
swap the rearend in the cobra and itll be in 12's
of course do it to a camaro and it should be 11's
Add sticky tires to 4.10's in a LS-1 and watch the rear end go boom. The 10 bolt in most cases can not handle the power. One of our club members grenaded his 10 bolt last summer for this exact reason, and no, it didn't run 11's
FOURTWENTY240sx wrote:ok but the 01 cobra still got pulled on in the top end, 3rd and up by a stock auto ls1
EastCoastBeast II wrote:i hate to tell you, but with the exception of the ford 9 inch, ford's rear end's are garbage too...
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Add sticky tires to 4.10's in a LS-1 and watch the rear end go boom. The 10 bolt in most cases can not handle the power. One of our club members grenaded his 10 bolt last summer for this exact reason, and no, it didn't run 11's
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A Ford 8.8 is almost identical in design to the G.M. 12 bolt. The 8.8 is a damn good rear and can hold much more hp than a G.M. 10 bolt stock, and with 31 spline axles and even a stock 31 spline T-Lok can handle quite a lot of power. The 10 bolt and Australian 9 bolt on the 3rd gens are crap and should have never been put behind such a potent powertrain combo.
ImportFyghter wrote:
I dunno where the hell you live but im a regular at the races on weekend and i talk to pretty much everyone there and i have a few buddies with both stangs and camaro's.
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I can honestly say ive NEVER seen a cobra run into the 12's with gears intake and exhaust.
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To be totally honest, ive never seen any newer stangs run sub 12 second pas without a power adder. I dunno im not being biased or anything cuz ive owned both. Oh and im also a member over at CamaroZ28.com. Im not being a dick just sharing some info on what ive seen here locally. Maybe you'd like to take a trip down to Ohio and match up against my 97' Big Block Stang? check out my auction for my ol' 308. Maybe you'd know someone interested.
ImportFyghter wrote:
Agreed. Our last 86' mustang GT ran 10.60 with the stock 8.8 rear. I wanna run DR's in my camaro but im afraid to break something. Damn you GM.
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Just because you have not seen it does not mean it does not happen. I suggest you go to a Fun Ford weekend race, an NMRA race or to the spring or fall 5.0 civil wars. You might be surprised.
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I saw a place, I can't remember where, advertised that they would do an 8.8 Ford swap on an F-body complete with 31 spline axles and 9 inch Ford axle ends to get rid of the c-clip retaining system for less than the cost of a 12 bolt swap. You might want to do a search for it. I have been running a worn out t-lok for a while, the locker I have and the 31 spline mosers are a welcome change.
EastCoastBeast II wrote:
so you're comparing a 8.8 to a 12 bolt, or a 10 bolt?