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Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:44 PM
Well,
used this equation to correct my fuel constant for slightly larger injectors ( 336cc(32lbs) vs stock sc 310cc).
310cc constant 0.32359
New constant = Old Constant x (old injector size/new injector size)
nc = 0.32359 x (310cc/336cc)
nc = 0.32359 x (.922619)
nc = 0.2985502

Plugged that number into the hpt program and reflashed car.

Results.
It worked. I didn't have problems idling before, but now at WOT all my pulls thru the gears to 200km/hr (he he) didn't go past 101% of duty cycle. The other day i was logging 130% duty cycle of the injectors (yikes). Its not a pernament fix, but does show that it works. Only pulled on MISfire code when the injector cycle was 100% from 180ish-200ish km/h. They were probably close to clipping. not good.

But ya, just thought i'd share.



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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Thursday, August 03, 2006 7:19 PM
i read on a post somewhere that duty cycle should be under 80 percent at all times!!!!

tuning with your duty cycle? i hope you have a wideband!!!



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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Thursday, August 03, 2006 8:58 PM
yea improvement but your still way past the red line on those injectors



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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:36 PM
It's sad that I am pusing 370cc injectors to 93% heh...

good lukc bud!



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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:46 PM
Phil - not really. 370cc injectors aren't even really good for 300 whp reliably so I can see you maxing them out pretty quickly

When I sized 550cc injectors they were barely good for 400 horses. Really puts the stock 252cc injectors into perspective.

Time for new injectrors, I'd say!

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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Friday, August 04, 2006 8:28 AM
actually philbert your at 89% im at 93% but either way its not good



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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Friday, August 04, 2006 9:08 AM
I'm running RC 650cc, might be moving down to some 550cc or 440cc soon, these run perfect with factory fuel pressure, just screwed with the constant...


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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Friday, August 04, 2006 1:14 PM
i have 440s for sale...

i was going to use them, but new plans mean I need MUCH larger injectors

PM me

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Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Friday, August 04, 2006 1:22 PM
constant duty.......always good



Re: Changed injector Constant corrected Duty Cycle
Friday, August 04, 2006 8:25 PM
Quote:

didn't go past 101% of duty cycle.


Still, anything over 100% means the PCM is trying to turn the injector on for more time than is available. What you've done is determined that you need 20% more fuel instead of 50% by making the constant match the size of the injectors.

The title of this thread should be "Changing the injector constant affects duty cycle." It's not correct until you are at about 80% max, and the AFR has to be right when that 80% shows up.

You might be able to turn your base pressure up to get slightly more flow. That would help some until the larger injectors are in.

The misfire could actually be excess spark advance or the plug failing to fire. That's the type of thing that I get concerned about. Ignoring a misfire under boost can lead to bigger problems.




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