ok i have in no way ever worked on the body of a car. but it looks like its about time for me to learn. I found rust the the rear quarter panel, beneath the passenger side door. i found it about 4-6 months ago and just played it off... but its starting to bubble worse and everyone i take it too want 1000-1200 to fix it...
so i use google today to get a walkthrough type deal on how to do it myself and came up with this...
http://www.instructables.com/id/EXPF54WOGEERV7C10L/
what do you all think.... the ones that do know how to repair body work that is... should i chance it or waste all the cash?...
thanks
Depending on how badly it's rusted you may have to actually cut out the rust and weld in new metal. That's what I ended up doing on our family's minivan. If you know how to cut, weld, sand, and paint then I'd go for it. It's not going to look professional, but it's not going to rust, and it's not going to cost you a grand.
Sold 6/30/06.
if it is rusted all the way through, the only way to stop the rust is to cut out the area and weld in a new piece. If you cant weld, please dont start here.
BaggeDCav98 (UnquotaBle One) wrote:if it is rusted all the way through, the only way to stop the rust is to cut out the area and weld in a new piece. If you cant weld, please dont start here.
What I said
But even if you can't weld or don't have a welder you can probably do the rest yourself and just have someone weld the peice in for you? I cut, welded, sanded, and preped everything... then paid a bodyshop to paint it. It looked like nothing had ever happened.
$1000-1200 seems high regardless. Maybe go get a couple other quotes.
Sold 6/30/06.
lol as you can tell i never read w/ anyone else writes
Let the professionals handle it honestly... if the rust isnt taken care of properly, it will cause many many more problems down the road.
i agree take it to a shop , your 1st attempt should not be rust, let the pro`s handle it
can i haz bondo
what is a good starting point though... id like to learn to do this myself... like painting and things
easiest way to handle rust if it isnt all the way through is to sandblast it and then fill it and prime paint ect..but thats only if its surface rust..and that is fairly easy to do..phil
it is surface rust from what i can tell.... but shouldnt i grind it down first to be sure....
[quote=DrÃkÉ]it is surface rust from what i can tell.... but shouldnt i grind it down first to be sure....
If the rust is UNDER the door, (and you said in your first post it's starting to "bubble more")... it is not surface rust. Odds are it's rusting on the rockerpanel (you DID say UNDER the door) from the inside out... seen it happen many many many times. This is not a simple repair, and the longer it's let go the worse it's going to get.
So, in regards to the rust, do NOT grind it down to "see"... take it to a professional. Not saying that to be a biotch so please don't take it that way... but this is out of the league for a beginner.
And honestly, the best way to start to learn is to find someone near you who DOES know what they're doing and have you start off with really simple things, like the proper way to sand (there is a proper and unproper way of sanding)... then slowly move your way up to fixing minor body repairs, then learning how to properly prime them when you're done... then learning how to properly block sand when you're done priming... then slowly moving your way up to painting.
You SHOULD have at least some basic training in body work before moving up to painting. And painting, is not as easy as it seems. If you'd like some ideas on what you're getting into, read my sticky post up top. Hope that helped, but honestly, no one can teach you how to do this kind of work and do it right by reading some words on a screen... it's hands on, because you have to have someone who knows what they're doing teach you what to look for that is NOT correct and could cause problems down the road if not done right.
yup so true so true, like my self and her and the other body men on this site were not taught online we were all taguth by someone
sorry dude but i my self just can`t teach ya online
can i haz bondo
Oh one more thing. If someone says they CAN teach you online, walk away. It simply cannot be done. Like I said, read my sticky to get an idea of how much work and training it really does require.
Body work and paint require the following:
1. The knowledge. You have to know what you're doing, and how to do things properly, and how to fix something when it goes wrong.
2. Feel. When you're doing body work, a lot of it is "feeling". You have a dent. Ok, you've pulled the dent out as much as it can be. Now you need to know how to feel the panel to make sure it is even when you fill it. There's some other tricks and stuff too, but it mostly boils down to knowing how to feel if it's right or not. Sight plays a more minor part when it comes to assuring smooth panels.
3. Sight. Sight REALLY comes into play with painting obviously, and you can't 'feel" your paint to see if it's ok. Well you could, but that would just be stupid to even try. Plus, with painting, the base coat looks different before clear than after (aside from the 'shiny' aspect of it). ESPECIALLY with metallics and pearls. How do you know if the panel you're blending is blended properly? What are those little marks that look like fish eyes, and how do you fix them? My paint is lifting/not sticking! what do I do to fix that? Is my clear on right? Why is my clear running? Why does my clear look more like a "matte" finish than a gloss finish, and how do I fix it?
Those are just a small sampling of the potential problems you could run into. I'm not trying to discourage you from wanting to learn, but just trying to give you an idea of WHY it needs to be hands on, versus typing on a screen.
fallen angel's word is gold listen to her do what ever she says
Chris warble wrote:fallen angel's word is gold listen to her do what ever she says
Thank you young grasshoppa... now go find me a winning lottery ticket, and bring me back all the cash. I'll let you keep some for travelling fees and any incurred expenses along the way, provided it does not reach a certain percentage of my winnings
(just kidding)
There's no one way to learn and it's not going to happen over night read up on it, Watch others some auto parts store even sell videos I've been doing custom autobody since 1990 one shop isn't like another there diffrent ways of doing things some shop are cheap mofu's and cut corners ..Someone said here sandblasting is a good way and showed the points of it ...there right! However there's one step that i like to do right after sandblasting and thats resanding ...why ? Because a sandblaster is used on a compresser and we all know that compressed air has h2o in it and even with a water filter some water does hit the fresh metal and get buried there later primer is applied .....sanding before hand heats up the metal drying the water aswell as smooth the pitted blasted area and feathers the outer panited surfure and removes any inbedded sand grits
I didn't just jump out of autobody class and start frame work I swept floors took out the garbage scuffed up new bumpers for paint watched the painter and the bodymen asked qustions and moved on to small dents and grinding preping mixing paint and primers learning how the paint guns work and the "flow in the arm" of painting
It took time to get where i am now i'm doing sculping for a skull that rips out of dash and airbrushing it
if your think of doing it anyways invest in a grinder, a hole wack of sand paper 24grit to 2,000wet, lots of shop towels, body hammers, and dollies basic tools, dynoglass, bondo, cleaners etc
lastly find a old door or trunk lid etc and try it on that first that way if you mess up its ok
Good luck
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guess ill have to shell out the big bucks.... but i dont have enough.. looks like it will have to wait a few months.
