so.. Couldn't they just track them until they leave the cemetary, then get them? Doesn't sound too hard.. The hard part was finding them, that's done, now watch.. Once they step out, boom.. Maybe I'm over simplifying, but I don't see the issue here.

PAX

Yeah this is such a non-story. Must be a slow-news day.


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I do think this is news worthy, some people would be pissed about it. I think they should have followed them also. I wonder how they knew that it was a terrorist funeral. Because people were armed?


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bigj480 wrote:I do think this is news worthy, some people would be pissed about it. I think they should have followed them also. I wonder how they knew that it was a terrorist funeral. Because people were armed?

a.) people will get pissed and complain about anything if it'll get them attention
b.) They probably just said it was a terrorist funeral so they could get some damn lobbyists to say they shoulda dropped their @!#$

^^ True, but that doesn't mean that the news shouldn't report on something just because people will bitch about it. If people bitch about it, it generally means that it's important to them. You're probably right about the lobbyist comment.


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should have bombed them. its a perfect opportunity...who cares if they were at a funeral, did they care that we were at work on 9/11?








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working and at a funeral are two totally different things.

they may be PISSED at us, but i cant imagine how even MORE pissed theyd be if we disobeyed battleiflield engagement rules.

especially when that means we bomb them while they are mourning.

yes they are horrible terrorists, but there are still lines u dont cross.

there is such a thing as ethics in war.





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mikec2003 wrote:should have bombed them. its a perfect opportunity...who cares if they were at a funeral, did they care that we were at work on 9/11?

You like being as despicable as the people you're fighting?

Would you like a coke and fries to go with the hypocrisy blue plate special?



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mikec2003 wrote:should have bombed them. its a perfect opportunity...who cares if they were at a funeral, did they care that we were at work on 9/11?

Funerals are religious ceramonies, leave them alone. Watch from a distance, gain whatever knowlege we can and go from there.

They didn't care that we were at work, but even now there are no terrorist attacks against our places of worshop. As much as the word "infidel" is used against us, they didn't fly planes into the Vatican, which would be more of a "holy war" target than some office buildings.

Bomb the daylights out of their tanks and military bases. Leave their religious services alone.

Just my 2 cents.



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I still don't understand why there are "rules of war"


IT'S FREAKING WAR! They are trying to kill Americans!!!

If indeed it was an Al Qaeda funeral..I say they should have bombed them. Letting them walk away could be the reason why your brother, sister,cousin, mom, dad, or friend will die over there.

I think the whole reason why this crap has been draged out this far is because we've been too soft. Stop letting them push us around.









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There is still only one thing linking al-queda with the acts of sept 11th and that is one highly contested, poorly translated, fuzzy video showing someone who almost looks like OBL. Many, many more statements have come out saying they didn't do it than those that have. If that was the only evidence against you in a court of law, chances are, you'd walk.

That said, yes, they are shooting at NATO forces (not just Americans) in Afganastan, but then, if NATO invaded your home town, you might be a little ticked off too.

Rules of war make those enforcing the rules feel good, and it's an excellent way to demonize the enemy if they break the rules.. Rules of war are mostly propaganda tools.

On the other hand, I do think that by showing some respect for the enemy, you prevent an escalation of hatred among the occupied civilian population making the task of occupying them a little easier.

PAX

well in this kind of a fight, you have to take the shots as they come, no matter where the enemy is at, these arent uniformed enemies of the army of a nation we are at war with, these are terrorists, they look like normal people, so when you get a lead on them, take the shot, you may never get the chance again







You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
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Hahahaha wrote:There is still only one thing linking al-queda with the acts of sept 11th and that is one highly contested, poorly translated, fuzzy video showing someone who almost looks like OBL. Many, many more statements have come out saying they didn't do it than those that have.

Like sept. 11th is the only thing they have been linked to????
They have ADMITTED to dozens of other terrorist acts claiming hundreds to thousands of lives. They need to go...sept. 11th. or not.






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mikec2003 wrote: these arent uniformed enemies of the army of a nation we are at war with, these are terrorists,

Exactly!!




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Hey, I'm not arguing, but ...

At any rate, like I said before.. The drone has them in it's sights, just track them until they are out of the cemetary then take them out. Seems simple enough to me.

I think the real story here is that the photo leaked. Who leaked it, why? How even?

There is some question about the rules of engagement as well. US forces in Iraq had a fire fight with insurgents in a cemetary and I don't recall any kind of reprecussions at all.

PAX

in a firefight you have the right to defend yourself and persue and destroy the enemy, so if the enemy shot at us and ran into a cemetry then we could persue them and attack...i guess its technically illegal to attack a funeral...even though I don't agree with that at all...i mean its war, find the enemy and kill them, no matter what theyre doing or where they are






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You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
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John Wilken wrote:

mikec2003 wrote:should have bombed them. its a perfect opportunity...who cares if they were at a funeral, did they care that we were at work on 9/11?

Funerals are religious ceramonies, leave them alone. Watch from a distance, gain whatever knowlege we can and go from there.

They didn't care that we were at work, but even now there are no terrorist attacks against our places of worshop. As much as the word "infidel" is used against us, they didn't fly planes into the Vatican, which would be more of a "holy war" target than some office buildings.

Bomb the daylights out of their tanks and military bases. Leave their religious services alone.

Just my 2 cents.



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Well actually they do bomb churches, just haven't had the opportunity in America yet(although some of our own terrorist - KKK etc - have attacked churches many times). While churches in mostly muslim countries aren't supercommon, they do exist, and they are favorite targets for violence.

Nonetheless - I do believe that if we sink to the terrorist level - that we deserve what we get. We are better than them, and I'm glad that there are still some in charge who are willing to prove it. With all the news we get about what we did wrong etc etc, its good to see that we passed up this opportunity to strike, because it was the right thing to do. I could only hope this gets media attention across the muslim world - that we do have a sense of morality - even in war.



I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

Quote:

we passed up this opportunity to strike

Think about that




I'm sure the terrorists are thankful and will kill less people than they had planned in their next attack because of our generosity. :rooleyes


Do realized that the same muslim people who will see that we passed up an attack are the same people being killed by them?








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Lash wrote:

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we passed up this opportunity to strike

Think about that




I'm sure the terrorists are thankful and will kill less people than they had planned in their next attack because of our generosity. :rooleyes


Do realized that the same muslim people who will see that we passed up an attack are the same people being killed by them?

Yes I do. I refer to the fact that recruiting more terrorist is easier than drinking Mountain Dew. We are constantly demonized in Islamic media - for everything we do wrong - nothing escapes coverage. So maybe some positive press could maybe improve the general Muslim consensus about us - and maybe make some youths a little less willing to enlist in Al Queda etc. Well at least I can hope.

But really that isn't the point of doing the right thing. You don't do the right thing for any reward - you do it because it is right. Equally you don't avoid doing the wrong thing because of the consequences - you avoid it because its wrong.

This kinda reminds me of a episode of South Park where Eric Cartman can't understand why he should feel bad about something as long as he's going to get away with it. LOL.

Seriously though - doesn't being better than common terrorists mean anything to you?



I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

this is about as big as "lonelygirl15" is a fraud.

News is slow, so there drumming up whatever they can.

Its a fricken fuzzy picture, it tells you NOTHING.


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I guess we've forgotten about all of the peoples heads they've chopped of....and recorded themselves doing it for the world to see.


So much for "rules of war".




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hey Lash - No one is saying we should kill the terrorist - just saying that we should be proud to have something they don't - decency... Like the decency not to slaughter at a funeral.

Of course that's not too say we couldn't surround said funeral,,, You get the picture.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?