Carnegie-Mellon University Study
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A professor that a month ago posted a vey short paper about what he thought might be contributing to the throttle problems that ends with a disclaimer saying "** This article reflects only the authors' opinions and does not in any way represent the opinions of the authors' employers or that of any of their sponsors. This article has not been peer-reviewed, with peer reviews considered the global standard for research publications. It is being released here due to the possible positive impact that it can have on ongoing events in the automotive sector. Our goal always is that the driving public have access to safe vehicles." is hardly what would clasify as an "ultra crisis"
If anything the fact that the value of their new car inventory has gone down the crapper is much more reason to call something an ultracrisis then this unproven article, that despite being logical, is purely unproven speculation.
Darkstars wrote:A professor that a month ago posted a vey short paper about what he thought might be contributing to the throttle problems that ends with a disclaimer saying "** This article reflects only the authors' opinions and does not in any way represent the opinions of the authors' employers or that of any of their sponsors. This article has not been peer-reviewed, with peer reviews considered the global standard for research publications. It is being released here due to the possible positive impact that it can have on ongoing events in the automotive sector. Our goal always is that the driving public have access to safe vehicles." is hardly what would clasify as an "ultra crisis"
If anything the fact that the value of their new car inventory has gone down the crapper is much more reason to call something an ultracrisis then this unproven article, that despite being logical, is purely unproven speculation.
Unproven to date, perhaps. It's also my opinion that a 'ghost in the machine' remains on these cars. While my opinion is also as-yet unproven speculation, let's just wait and see what comes of it all. If the theories promoted in this study are found to have true weight, there's no telling the depth and breadth of Toyota's possible pain, and yes...THAT would be an ultracrisis that makes the current devalued inventory seem tame by comparison. The lack of cross-checks, safety circuits, and redundancies in their system has left them hopelessly exposed to not only speculation of this nature, but also to ever-increasing scrutiny as the cars continue to behave in odd and largely unquantifiable ways.
Had Toyota employed more redundant features, safety circuits, and system cross-checks in their system (as most of their industry peers have), they'd not be under the microscope so heavily at this juncture. They've no one to blame for that lapse in engineering detail but themselves; not the media, and certainly not a car-buying public panicked by the prospects of uncontrolled acceleration.
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Bill Hahn Jr.
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its too bad for toyota that the bail out money is gone.
We all need somebody to believe in something...
Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Darkstars wrote:A professor that a month ago posted a vey short paper about what he thought might be contributing to the throttle problems that ends with a disclaimer saying "** This article reflects only the authors' opinions and does not in any way represent the opinions of the authors' employers or that of any of their sponsors. This article has not been peer-reviewed, with peer reviews considered the global standard for research publications. It is being released here due to the possible positive impact that it can have on ongoing events in the automotive sector. Our goal always is that the driving public have access to safe vehicles." is hardly what would clasify as an "ultra crisis"
If anything the fact that the value of their new car inventory has gone down the crapper is much more reason to call something an ultracrisis then this unproven article, that despite being logical, is purely unproven speculation.
Unproven to date, perhaps. It's also my opinion that a 'ghost in the machine' remains on these cars. While my opinion is also as-yet unproven speculation, let's just wait and see what comes of it all. If the theories promoted in this study are found to have true weight, there's no telling the depth and breadth of Toyota's possible pain, and yes...THAT would be an ultracrisis that makes the current devalued inventory seem tame by comparison. The lack of cross-checks, safety circuits, and redundancies in their system has left them hopelessly exposed to not only speculation of this nature, but also to ever-increasing scrutiny as the cars continue to behave in odd and largely unquantifiable ways.
Had Toyota employed more redundant features, safety circuits, and system cross-checks in their system (as most of their industry peers have), they'd not be under the microscope so heavily at this juncture. They've no one to blame for that lapse in engineering detail but themselves; not the media, and certainly not a car-buying public panicked by the prospects of uncontrolled acceleration.
I agree completely, THAT would be ultra crisis status.... but this is not in anyway an ultracrisis because of this article.
In any case, all I am doing is promoting information emerging in the public sphere. You can protest the title of the thread all you want, but I think you already have, so let's discuss the report's contents now.
What think you of the numerous circuit protections and redundancies that Toyota omitted? Do you think that was done out of poor engineering practice, or just cost-cutting?
Bill Hahn Jr.
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z yaaaa wrote:its too bad for toyota that the bail out money is gone.
It would be WAY too bad for the US Government if they bailed out a foreign company too. God help us if that were to occur!
We've already done enough for Japan by allowing them to sell their cars here unfettered while they don't return the favor, then falling over our tongues worshipping them in our media. My taxpayer money is already paying for the results of that via the GM and Chrysler bailouts, and I even supported Domestic car companies exclusively with my purchases...were my dollars to ALSO go to bail out a Japanese company, I would be highly disappointed.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Karma is the one law that cannot be broken.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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amongst all the legal scammers out there trying to drum up business , with the unintended acceleration adds
just heard today that there is now a class action suit forming , guess toyota owners are wanting to SUE toyota , not for the "unintended acceleration" but for ......................................................................
loss of value of their cars , LMAO
Predicted it. It's a valid claim.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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My goodness, Dave. Those stories
also fulfill my earlier predictions.
You folks may remember my prophecies...the reaction to them, and my insistence to stand my ground (OK, and have a little fun while I was at it!) got me BANNED for "fighting", while all the other fighters who didn't get banned laughed in my absence. Well now...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Yes, he who laughs last, indeed laughs BEST. Where's all that Japcar love NOW? Anyone care to get BANNED over it? You know where to find/fight me...
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Why did you PM me to come to this thread? Nowhere have I said Toyota is in good shape, in fact the closest thing to that that I've said is that a recall on a Honda was not the nail in the coffin for Toyota or Japanese car makers in general. So again why am I "invited"?
If for some odd reason there is some confusion on your part I invite you to re-read this....
Darkstars wrote:Bill Hahn Jr. wrote:Darkstars wrote:A professor that a month ago posted a vey short paper about what he thought might be contributing to the throttle problems that ends with a disclaimer saying "** This article reflects only the authors' opinions and does not in any way represent the opinions of the authors' employers or that of any of their sponsors. This article has not been peer-reviewed, with peer reviews considered the global standard for research publications. It is being released here due to the possible positive impact that it can have on ongoing events in the automotive sector. Our goal always is that the driving public have access to safe vehicles." is hardly what would clasify as an "ultra crisis"
If anything the fact that the value of their new car inventory has gone down the crapper is much more reason to call something an ultracrisis then this unproven article, that despite being logical, is purely unproven speculation.
Unproven to date, perhaps. It's also my opinion that a 'ghost in the machine' remains on these cars. While my opinion is also as-yet unproven speculation, let's just wait and see what comes of it all. If the theories promoted in this study are found to have true weight, there's no telling the depth and breadth of Toyota's possible pain, and yes...THAT would be an ultracrisis that makes the current devalued inventory seem tame by comparison. The lack of cross-checks, safety circuits, and redundancies in their system has left them hopelessly exposed to not only speculation of this nature, but also to ever-increasing scrutiny as the cars continue to behave in odd and largely unquantifiable ways.
Had Toyota employed more redundant features, safety circuits, and system cross-checks in their system (as most of their industry peers have), they'd not be under the microscope so heavily at this juncture. They've no one to blame for that lapse in engineering detail but themselves; not the media, and certainly not a car-buying public panicked by the prospects of uncontrolled acceleration.
I agree completely, THAT would be ultra crisis status.... but this is not in anyway an ultracrisis because of this article.
I invited you because I thought you'd like to see the information here. You seemed interested in this information previously, and behaved accordingly in many threads. If you are now retracting that interest, or your abuse of me for my position on this issue, I accept. If not, I'll be happy to bring your previous behavior into this thread for review.
By the way, speaking of re-reading...did you read even once the links Dave provided above? They do seem to illustrate the ultracrisis I allude to, the one you deny exists. Just curious if you'd had a look yet.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Oh, a reminder too, Dark...you appear to have glazed over my questions to you above, instead again protesting the thread title (that makes several times now). If you would not mind, before repeating your own post yet again, please have a look at those questions. I'd be interested to know your opinion on that as well.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Good bye toyota ..
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Once again, re-read and try to comprehend....
What I have very clearly said is the article YOU POSTED in the original post of this that that you claimed was Toyotas problems multiplying to "ultracrisis status" is nothing more the speculation of one man at this point. Followed by agreeing with you about what it mean if proven true.
You seem to think for some reason I'm pro Toyota and that I'm in denial of their situation, is that because I look at things fair and level headed? That I wait to see what actually happens rather then rely on speculation? The truth is I stand to profit from Toyota going down.
I am interested in information, the problem is your not supplying any. You post a link saying Toyota is super F'd now because somebody thinks that if enough testing is done they might know what the problem is, that's not information. Yes I did read the links Dave posted.... neither of which have anyting to do with what you alluded to in your initial post. In the mean time no I'm not intrested in biased speculation from you or any other source.
OK. I see that all you can do is repeat yourself over and over and over. We get it. You don't like the name of the thread. Boy do we get it!
How about my questions though? Last chance...if you still insist on being uncooperative, we'll just move on.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
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Sorry for repeating myself, normally I don't but unfortunately it is necessary when attempting a logical conversation with someone who either can't comprehend what they are reading or ignores most of the text and focuses on whatever they have choose to made up.
It's not about the title of the thread, it's about how you have yet to provide ANY information in this thread.
As far as questions are you refering to these.... "What think you of the numerous circuit protections and redundancies that Toyota omitted? Do you think that was done out of poor engineering practice, or just cost-cutting?"
If so, who cares, it doesn't matter why its not there, it's either there or it's not. Besides if I did answer with my opinion you would read it and try to twist it into something completely different, basically into whatever you want it to say. Not sure if you noticed but you have a bad habit of doing that.
Cool, Then you've taken your turn now
many times, and we can definitely move on.
Since Dark refuses to, would anyone else care to address these questions:
What think you of the numerous circuit protections and redundancies that Toyota omitted? Do you think that was done out of poor engineering practice, or just cost-cutting?"
...or add anythng of substance more about the Ultracrisis Toyota finds itself in?
Bill Hahn Jr.
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All i know is I saw a local news story about a prius in a "not so typical" high speed chase. LMAO - stuck accellerator!
It was on the York/Harrisburg/Lancaster station.
WTF don't people know how to shift to neutral and brake?? Why does a cop have to pull in front of the car and slam on the brakes? In the time it takes to get noticed by a cop, have the cop persue you and realize its a stuck gas pedal, could you not have come to your senses and shifted to neutral? I swear people are getting fkn dumber by the second.
They dont return thier favor? I seem to remember for a short time a car called the Toyota Cavalier...
Not unintentionally accelerating since 2009!!!!
The Blithering One wrote:They dont return thier favor? I seem to remember for a short time a car called the Toyota Cavalier...
Despite the occasional small exception such as Cavalier (and a
very small exception it is), the Japanese car market is nowhere near as open to foreign competition as the US car market. There is truly no comparison.
Bill Hahn Jr.
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