Rollinredcavi wrote:What all of your agruements lack is the fact of what the Iraqi's acutally think about the war.
Really? how many Iraqi's do you know? That have been to Iraq recently?
Just remember, if you're taking your media information from the likes of CNN or FOX, you're getting skewed info. Rueters/AP is a better source.
I have a link on my sig, it's alternative media... most like the fact that they don't have to worry about Saddam and that lot, but they now have to worry about "insurgents" from Alqueda, destabilisation leads to weak border security.
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Obviously if you watch those god forsaken liberal new stations your getting fed a bunch of chewed up garbage. They dont tell you anything good, they tell you everything bad and make a bigger deal out of things that it really is. If you deny that, you have major problems.
As opposed to those Numbskull conservative news stations?
Every news outlet has an agenda, that just means you need to sift through a few outlets to flesh out the story.
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MOST, and I mean most, Iraqi's were praising us for being there.
True... now, they're not so sure.
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what about the Iraqi woman who named her baby George Bush? HUH? oh, yeah you forgot about that right. This isnt a war about taking over oil fields, its a war about right and wrong.
Not, it's always about more than that... don't tell me you're that naieve. If it were about right and wrong only, Iraqi companies would own their oil wells... instead of Halliburton. No you don't hear a lot about that either eh? Seems a lot of people don't hear a lot about anything now that the real work of democracy is happening.
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Sadam was wrong, in every way. The whole world knew it. We did somthing that will change the lives of millions and millions of people to come, in a good way.
If you think it's that good there now, I dare you to live outside (or even inside) the Green Zone in Baghdad. Hell, Most POOR Iraqis see little difference, but then again, that's not very interesting.
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If you all are telling me that you wouldnt give your life to ensure a better life for several millions of people to come, you might be a communist.
So in other words, you're saying to each and every personl that didn't fall in line a sign right on up for a war that was based on false premises that they're Communist? Dude... Give the rhetoric a rest... the "with us or ag'in us" bit is old, tired, out-moded, false and colossally myopic and arrogant.
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My life means noting to this world. Many of the people who died for the war mean nothing to the world.
For the war? No-one died FOR the war... Politicians are FOR the war... use the correct language, IN the war. And you're fianlly realising that your life means less than sh!t. Not to worry, no-one else's will mean more than worm food in the next 100 or so years.
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Granted they mean a whole great deal to thier families and friends, which I completely agree with; however, that is exactly the problem that the terrorist have with our country. Most americans wouldn't give up the smallest thing for another person. Would you give up your car to save a starving persons life? No you wouldn't. That is what makes people hate our country. Our greed.
Greed and meddling. yeah. Most people will help you get your feet under you, that's something I think you're missing... A lot of people give, but I think part of it is that everyone feels compelled to give to everything. I don't give to everyone... I don't think anyone should. As I said, help someone get a good solid foundation in life, and help them get the work ethic so they might succeed in life... After that, it's in their hands whether they succeed or not... Giving up a car because someone needs a ride... that's silly.
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Whether any of you see it or not. Sadam killed more people ten times over than this war will ever kill. We saved even more than he killed. Hitler was killing people just like sadam was. Yet we should stay out of Sadams business. It wouldnt be right. We are the most powerful nation in the world and we need to help police it. We are not being a big bully, we are being a big brother to our fellow citizens arcross the ocean.
See, the parallel doesn't work. Hitler had withdrawn from the league of nations, and had been amassing a military at an unprecedented scale. He had actually taken over other countries, and implementing the "final solution" in 1939. The only way to stop the Nazi war machine was to utterly destroy it because it had not been halted before it took hold.
Iraq on the other hand, Saddam had been driven out of Kuwait, and was HANDLED. There was no weapons shipments, there were no further incursions to other states, there were no systematic death camps or other extermination attempts after 1991. Also, before you start in on saying that he gassed the Kurds in 1988, GHW Bush seemed to not have any problem on keeping tight lipped about that... just as long as there was someone in the US's pocket to keep pissing off the Iranians. The US is not without bloody hands in this area of the world either... just don't forget about that.
Hitler opened death camps in Poland, Czech republic, Austria, and Germany that killed over 6million (Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Catholics and other "religious deviants"), Saddam killed less than 100,000 attacking Kurds which were not considered even by the UN as being native to Iraq. The comparison doesn't hash.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
