i think coilovers void the warranty on AGX's no matter how low you go. someone correct me if i'm wrong tho.
yeah you are right. Springs rate on coilover were not what AGX was designed for.
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Mylife75 wrote:yeah you are right. Springs rate on coilover were not what AGX was designed for.
It is not the spring rate that is the problem. it is that you should not drop it more than 1.5"
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novaracer wrote:Mylife75 wrote:yeah you are right. Springs rate on coilover were not what AGX was designed for.
It is not the spring rate that is the problem. it is that you should not drop it more than 1.5"
Then what is it. AGX is voided when used on coil over which are not progressive like regular springs.
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novaracer wrote:Mylife75 wrote:yeah you are right. Springs rate on coilover were not what AGX was designed for.
It is not the spring rate that is the problem. it is that you should not drop it more than 1.5"
WRONG WRONG WRONG
The reason they are warrantied to a 1.5" drop is because they can handle the spring rates required for a 1.5" drop. NOT because of the actual height of the spring. Putting Ground Control coilovers on AGX struts even at 1.5" inches or less is bound to damage the struts.
Think of it this way. If struts were only able to handle a drop (or no drop) based on ride height then it would logically follow that, any bump in the road that made your car move in excess of that 1.5" inches would blow your struts. You may think to yourself "hey that's a very short period of time at 2 inches" but your car moves that much on a very frequent basis while driving. "Well what about people who have blown their stock struts on stock springs" that's generally due to extreme road conditions or excessive loading. Both of these will cause the suspension to react faster than the struts are intended to despite spring rate.
true....
you cant use any coils on agx, spring rates are too high. any coilover, even if they are higher than stock, will void it.
AGX's can my 375f and 325r i am only at a 1.5" drop because of handling I did not want to put coil overs on AGX's but i changed from G-stock to STS in autox and that is what i had. But they are working out great so far. i can adjust them for autox and for drag and for my daily ride. I guess i am being the test dummy but i would not advise anybody to try it. but it does work and work well!
the cav has so much grip i scare myself some times
anyway we will see how well the AGX's hold up in the CAR&DRIVER race series the 16-17 of this month.
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^^^they WILL blow your struts, simple as that. try sitting a fat woman on a chair made of wood sticks
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so far they are fine dut this winter i am getting KONIS shortned, de gassed and revalved maybe DA but i am not sure. they do very well. before i rut them on i did my homework and the honda guys say the are good for up to a 400lb spring rate. and after 6 months on them i beleive them. tell you the truth racing of any kind voids the warrenty on them anyway. and KYB knows what i do with them because they had to send me some new front adjusters and i let it slip over the phone
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Sometimes comparing one car to another is not always accurate.
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Mylife75 wrote:Sometimes comparing one car to another is not always accurate.
true....
hondas might have higher spring rates, but their angles and degrees that their suspension runs at is WAY different.
especially with a IRS suspension. with most irs setups, you need a stiffer spring just to equal what a lighter spring we use would do.
a hondas suspension is no where near how our suspension is.... besides the fact they use dampers and springs.
just because something works, doesnt means its always as effective as it should be.
think of it like wearing shoes.
you could have shoes that still fit on your feet and lace up....
but the fact that they have holes in the tops and worn holes through the soles, doesnt really mean they are really all that quality anymore.
ask an athlete how their shoes are, then ask a bum how his are holding up.
i agree with ya, not the smartest thing to do, with the amount of options out there, especially for those cars, and would be covered.
and also think about how many people on stock struts who have made the same claim.
"well their still working.... i dont see any oil leaking and i am lowered 3 inches"
-not all things that bleed, bleed externally."
true event but i have had autoxfool and cavfan1 as codrivers and they both are on CG/Konis and they say it feels like theirs. time will only tell how long they will last!
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novaracer wrote:true event but i have had autoxfool and cavfan1 as codrivers and they both are on CG/Konis and they say it feels like theirs. time will only tell how long they will last!
thats the key thing...
you can put stock struts on a car, and in the beginning they feel fine. so people come back and say, ahh you can lower with stock struts. my ride feels fine.
then a few months down the road, here come the complaints: "its bumpy, it rides like crap, etc"
thats all really anyone here has said
i installed them in the week of 2/14/05
only 6autox's on them so far but i am doing better than i thought i could with the cav my best finish is 4th out of 23 cars in STS in a cav
thank you AGX's
ok i am done!
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