So what ever happened with all the forums and lists about having some manufacturer making projector headlights??? I've searched back through the archives and alot of the forum post are out dated, any word on a dealer or is it still just the mold plexiglass deal.
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so far, your just going to have to make them yourself or find someone who will make them for you. good luck
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Don't hold your breath, I've been around here long enough to say with confidence that all the lists with names and all that will never amount to anything but wasted time and effort. Unless APC or some other type of manufacturer decide they want to make them, its not going to happen. The only way to get have them is to make them yourself. But if the WhiteBoy Style people actually sell the lenses like they show on their site, then thats the bulk of the work done for you right there. If you can't figure out how to cut a hole in a headlight and glue a projector in there, well then I think that speaks for itself.
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The main problem is that there is not enough people that would pay for them. Everyone wants them but not many will pay.
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I want the 03 projectors that were on the SEMA sunfire in 01
Wasent there a forgin 03 sunfire posted with projectors it was so long ago i cant remember?
White Boy wrote:The main problem is that there is not enough people that would pay for them. Everyone wants them but not many will pay.
That's not true. If someone makes them, they will sell and they'd have the market cornered. There are NO aftermarket headlight options for the 95-02 Sunfires and the only taillight options for the coupes are ugly as sin.
Those taillights sell. Headlights would sell as well. Hell, headlights that look like ass will sell because there are no other options.
if a major company makes them, they will probably be around 350-400 at first. and people would buy them probably but they would have to invest probably like $50,000 -100,000 into making and marketing them so they wont do it for sunfires because its such a small market compared to other compacts.
we can make them custom for people but they would cost about 500$. because i wouldnt make many. we have sold few of the clear headlight lenses off our site, (still gotta add them to the new site) so there isnt many options now.. i gotta find a good supply of headlights and projectors and then we could some some full ones.. but in canada the junk yards SUCK
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people have asked my to make them, but as soon as tell them how much, they never get back to me. its no big deal, its just that people say "i will pay anything", but as soon as you tell them how much it costs to make them, and then give yourself a little cut, its different story. oh well. im thinking about making a pair and putting them on ebay and having everyone fight over them rather than playing tag with email.
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So lets test this theory Weasel...
I will sell my headlights to the first person that sends me $450, no less, no bargaining, no joke.
Price seems justifiable to me since they cost me over $300 to make them, the fact that they are one of a kind, have real HIDs and blinkers, and not to mention the time they took to make. So lets see if anyone will put their money where their mouths are.
-- John
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do you accept paypal?? if so you might have just lost those sweet projectors
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Wild Weasel wrote:White Boy wrote:The main problem is that there is not enough people that would pay for them. Everyone wants them but not many will pay.
That's not true. If someone makes them, they will sell and they'd have the market cornered. There are NO aftermarket headlight options for the 95-02 Sunfires and the only taillight options for the coupes are ugly as sin.
Those taillights sell. Headlights would sell as well. Hell, headlights that look like ass will sell because there are no other options.
for a beginning price of AT LEAST $350, you are dead flat out @!#$ wrong. period. why? because i've done ALL OF THIS with these headlights before.
most ppl on this site have cheap econo cars for a reason.....
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ps - the taillights DO NOT sell........find me
100 cars that have those taillights.
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pps - im sure john meant the headlights alone (which are worth AT LEAST 450 bucks with all the customization they have), and another 300-350 for the hid bulbs and ballasts.
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^^ See thats the problem right there
Someone comes on and says they are going to make them if we get enough intrest then we gather all the intrest and the company backs out for some reason ( just like he did ) gives us the runaround for a year or so and then responds with "theres no market" not that we wouldn't pay for quality parts its that noone wants to Make a quality part! That used to make me mad howeve i don't blame the company's any more our cars are no longer in prodution so look for the aftermarket to completly die off its just good marketing.
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I said I'd still make a pair of projectors to whoever wants to pay up, but I changed my mind as far as selling my own personal pair or Lexus headlights. $450 for the headlights that I made for myself wouldn't cover it, more like $800 to be honest, and I'd still be reluctant, I promise they are worth more to me than cost of materials + labor.
You just have to understand that for whoever is making the headlights, they will sooner or later realize that its not cost efficient and they are the one losing in the end. $450 for a pair of HID projectors is a deal I think, but its still a high price for something that realistically won't be perfect, but that price mostly cover the costs of the HIDs and materials, and only throws in max about $100 of profit for me. Now you might think thats greedy or that should be plenty to hold me over, but try telling me that after slaving 30-40hrs to make them.
-- John
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^^ I din't mean any offense to you John I Know your a good guy and your projectors are sweet thats why i was gonna jump on them not just some oher random made projectors! I know the work you do is quality and the only reason i was gonna buy yours was to prove a point! I know how much work goes into make these things I have the ability and have done a set myself! I don't need you to make me any thansk for the offer though like i said i was just gonna buy yours to prove the point that if quality products were made we would jump on it
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^ ok, so we have one buyer, maybe 10. but you think a company is going to waste tens of thousands of dollars in development of something that they wont even sell 100 of? you need to sell like 500-1000 of them to just break even.....and thats for minimal materials.
the cheap bastards that own jbodies is what drive companies away. so go custom cause thats the only way you're ever gonna get anything.
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hey white boy you said you have the just the clear plastic cover for sunfire headlights.
I understand the price being around $300 to $500, but you have to think that these are custom made and not just an off the shelf buy from checkers. If I can just change the plastic covering to a clear plastic without all those dimple effect I know my headlights will look brighter and I can see better.
4 months in Korea = 17" rims
4 months in Iraq = Bodykit
Not having mommy and daddy pay for everything = priceless
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...only throws in max about $100 of profit for me. Now you might think thats greedy or that should be plenty to hold me over, but try telling me that after slaving 30-40hrs to make them.
When you buy an aftermarket part that says, "made in china, taiwan, korea or hencho en mexico" guess what... some poor bastard in one of those countries worked forty hours to make less than 100 bucks. this leads consumers to believe 3 things:
1. you're greedy.
2. capitalism is king
3. you really suck at making headlights because that foreign bastard churned out more than one solitary pair in a week.
business is business. people are going to buy the cheaper product. just because you value your own work for 100 dollars doesn't mean that we do. reiterate point 3. if you could churn out enough headlights to warrant 100 dollars profit in a week, then you would get it. actually, you would probably get more.
no offense to you at all, you've got a sweet ride and all and the work is great, but the point stands for itself.
daniel arellano wrote:hey white boy you said you have the just the clear plastic cover for sunfire headlights.
I understand the price being around $300 to $500,
no, theyre about 99.00.
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If I can just change the plastic covering to a clear plastic without all those dimple effect I know my headlights will look brighter and I can see better.
if you just change the lense, then the light output is very poor and is only a ring of light.
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business is business. people are going to buy the cheaper product.
how the hell does BMW stay in buiseness? and if you wany a cheaper product, go find the materials and make them yourself.
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some poor bastard in one of those countries worked forty hours to make less than 100 bucks
well thats there and i cant live off of 100.00 a week here.
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KevinP: That was one ignorant ass post you just made dude. You are comparing apples and oranges; a guy molding lenses and forming stuff in his house to a factory with assembly lines? Please. I honestly think you are mistaking me for some type of business, which you're mistaken. This is a hobby for me, and if you expect me to build headlights for free then you're living in a fantasy world, I've got better things to do on my SPARE time, its not like I'm living for nothing and don't have a fulltime job. And I could honestly care less about what wages other people are working for in other countries, thats what they do for money and its not like they are being forced to do it, so spare me the bleeding heart. Plus we are talking about CUSTOM headlights that do not exist until someone like me makes them. If you want something run of the mill, wait till APC jumps on board. There's a reason why bikes from say OCC cost more than bikes from Harley.
But you were right about one thing, people will buy the cheaper product. So go ahead and buy the other Sunfire headlights that are available.
-- John
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KevinP (The IOU One IDB) wrote:Quote:
...only throws in max about $100 of profit for me. Now you might think thats greedy or that should be plenty to hold me over, but try telling me that after slaving 30-40hrs to make them.
When you buy an aftermarket part that says, "made in china, taiwan, korea or hencho en mexico" guess what... some poor bastard in one of those countries worked forty hours to make less than 100 bucks. this leads consumers to believe 3 things:
1. you're greedy.
2. capitalism is king
3. you really suck at making headlights because that foreign bastard churned out more than one solitary pair in a week.
business is business. people are going to buy the cheaper product. just because you value your own work for 100 dollars doesn't mean that we do. reiterate point 3. if you could churn out enough headlights to warrant 100 dollars profit in a week, then you would get it. actually, you would probably get more.
no offense to you at all, you've got a sweet ride and all and the work is great, but the point stands for itself.
wtf was this post about. i see no point in it. stfu if you dont know what youre talking about.
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