Hey guys, just wanted to let everyone know that I just bought a how-to guide on building a hydrogen gas generator, and am running it right now. I have so far gained an extra 90 miles on my first tanks with it. I've been driving it like a bat out of hell with it, due to the fact that the car feels like it gained a few extra ponies, but I'll bet I will have better gas than an extra 90 miles my next tank because I will drive it more conservatively to see what I get.
If you guys want to try it, its cheap. I paid $9.97 for the how to guide on this website:
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The guide shows you everything you need to get at a hardware store (less than $50 for all items).
The cool thing is that I thought you'd have to get your ECU programmed, but you dont. The trick is you fool your o2 sensors into reducing the amount of fuel you need, and you supplement the loss of additional fuel with hydrogen. THe hydrogen generator i built is small, and runs off of your battery. You attach a vacuum line to it, and thats it! Self install is easy, and building it as well.
The way the whole thing works, is that by separating hydrogen from oxygen in water, you can produce a combustible gas that you can run into your engine. Basically, you are running the car on water!!! It burns clean, and doesn't harm o2 sensors, cats, or internal engine components.
Check out the site. I am amazed and happy with my results. I wanted to share it with all of you, for those who are looking for something worthwhile to do.
Trust me, I've tried just about all the scam BS like resistors and electric fans in your intake crap that doesn't work, but finally found something that at first, didn't believe in, but now , I'm like WOW!!!!!!!!!!
If any of you guys try it, or seens it before, let me know what you all think!!!
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You are now officially the biggest tool on this site.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Post some pictures proving you installed this in your car or GTFO.
Ill stick to driving more conservatively and not doing something that could harm my engine. Even at 70 I some how pulled off 34 MPG in my 98 Z24. I see no reason to try and modify anything on the car just for fuel savings.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zk4gIioSMmk
check this video out on you tube. This is an older model. The plans I bought are for a lower amps, higher output multi-cell. Its aboit the same hight, a little thinner, but twice as wide.
Mitdr774. There is LITTLE modification to do, and ZERO risk. All you have to do is yank it all out if you want to uninsstall it, and seal the vacuum leaks. You don't have to mess with anything else. My viseo camera battery is dead, can't find the charger or USB, so I will not post my own video yet. But I thought I'd share this older version of this concept.
It's not a new thing for those that know about it. Its just the fact that the price of gas makes it worth to take this extra effort to conserve your gas, and to relieve the pain at the pump.
I hope this was beneficial to those actually interested in giving it a shot. There will always be those around that do not beilve, I was one of them. I hope you can open your mind like I did.
A co-worker of mine just installed one of those hydrogen generators (electrolysis) on his GMC truck. He's still metering the fuel he uses to see if the hydrogen helps any. He gave me the plans for free. So if it does help any, I might try it if the mileage gain is substantial.
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^^ Just got an update from the person in this video. He gained 4mpg the first tank. He hasn't COMPLETELY gotten the best results, becuase alone with the setup he has on his car, the car isn't "tuned" to reduce the amount of fuel to be used. He is running the same a/f ratio. Once the amount of gas is decreased, he'll actually gain more MPG. I have done the complete setup, and at first, i thought I would have to sacrfce performance, but you dont. You don't even have to down tune the a/f rmixture, the extra mpg is added just by the more efficiency added in the combustion.
before I go to sleep, i thought it was funny, that the advertisement underneath my first post, directs you to a link that sells the same guide I am talking about. They sell it for $50, I bought mine for $10! Seems like I am starting to see more and moree of it all over the internet.
You see more on the internet because more idiots think they can cheat the system and defy laws of physics.
Put it this way, if hydrogen was produced efficiently enough using 50 bucks worth of parts from my local Ace hardware we would all be driving hydrogen powered vehicles.
This does not chemically work. The biggest problem facing hydrogen power right now is volume. In the chemical science of electrolysis if you take a vast amount of water you need a vast amount of energy to extract the hydrogen. Even then the hydrogen returns are minimal and of course you are left with pure oxygen which is extremely flammable.
Basically in a hydro electric car, It takes more electrical energy to extract hydrogen from "x" amount of water than we are currently capable of producing with that hydrogen. There is simply not a cheaper or easier and more efficient way to get enough volume of hydrogen from any reasonable or economical source with the exception of a pumping station.
Any gains you see are more than likely simply from running leaner than normal due to your unmetered air leak. Thats all.
This is absolutely ridiculous...go buy a tornado air swirler and shave your fore arm through it...Let me know if you gain any mpg...
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Eliot Fitzpatrick wrote:Hey guys, just wanted to let everyone know that I just bought a how-to guide on building a hydrogen gas generator, and am running it right now. I have so far gained an extra 90 miles on my first tanks with it. I've been driving it like a bat out of hell with it, due to the fact that the car feels like it gained a few extra ponies, but I'll bet I will have better gas than an extra 90 miles my next tank because I will drive it more conservatively to see what I get.
If you guys want to try it, its cheap. I paid $9.97 for the how to guide on this website:
<scam link removed by moderator>
The guide shows you everything you need to get at a hardware store (less than $50 for all items).
The cool thing is that I thought you'd have to get your ECU programmed, but you dont. The trick is you fool your o2 sensors into reducing the amount of fuel you need, and you supplement the loss of additional fuel with hydrogen. THe hydrogen generator i built is small, and runs off of your battery. You attach a vacuum line to it, and thats it! Self install is easy, and building it as well.
The way the whole thing works, is that by separating hydrogen from oxygen in water, you can produce a combustible gas that you can run into your engine. Basically, you are running the car on water!!! It burns clean, and doesn't harm o2 sensors, cats, or internal engine components.
Check out the site. I am amazed and happy with my results. I wanted to share it with all of you, for those who are looking for something worthwhile to do.
Trust me, I've tried just about all the scam BS like resistors and electric fans in your intake crap that doesn't work, but finally found something that at first, didn't believe in, but now , I'm like WOW!!!!!!!!!!
If any of you guys try it, or seens it before, let me know what you all think!!!
sounds like you are just trying to sell this @!#$, and you still have no proof of even putting it on.
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this is getting pretty annoying .. these add are popping up with about 10 a day on craiglist... it irritates me,
EcoCav (DesertTuners) wrote:Post some pictures proving you installed this in your car or GTFO.
EVOFire (DesertTuners) wrote:PICS OR GTFO!!!!!
Didn't you say you are working on posting pics? How long does that take? @!#$ tool...
Eliot Fitzpatrick wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=zk4gIioSMmk
check this video out on you tube. This is an older model. The plans I bought are for a lower amps, higher output multi-cell. Its aboit the same hight, a little thinner, but twice as wide.
Mitdr774. There is LITTLE modification to do, and ZERO risk. All you have to do is yank it all out if you want to uninsstall it, and seal the vacuum leaks. You don't have to mess with anything else. My viseo camera battery is dead, can't find the charger or USB, so I will not post my own video yet. But I thought I'd share this older version of this concept.
It's not a new thing for those that know about it. Its just the fact that the price of gas makes it worth to take this extra effort to conserve your gas, and to relieve the pain at the pump.
I hope this was beneficial to those actually interested in giving it a shot. There will always be those around that do not beilve, I was one of them. I hope you can open your mind like I did.
all i hear on that vid is a bunch of mumblings and a car running
Im a Xbox 360 fanboy...and damn proud of it!!
mythbusters did a special on gas saving devices and this was one of them. they couldn't even get the car to run with it hooked up.
On the mythbusters one, they where trying to run the car on 100% hydrogen with the homemade set up. They did prove you could run the car off of the large bottle of hydrogen, but not the homemade kit.
I have seen many cars running on HHO kits. They still run on gas, but they also add hydrogen to assist in getting better gas millage. I have yet to see anyone prove they get better gas millage (other than these people trying to sell the product).
Im pretty sure I lost at LEAST 10 IQ points for even clicking on this thread but I had to humor myself with what idiots might actually buy into this CRAP!!!!!
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As I've said before... with every "gas saver" thing on the market... if it ACTUALLY worked, it would come like that from the factory... and probably 40 years ago too....
SCAM
Ok... firstly, I don't think this guy is trying to scam us. I think he just thought he found a cool thing and didn't realize it was a scam.
Here's the deal... it takes more energy to extract hydrogen from water than you get back from burning it. That's a fact.
Therefore, it is impossible to extract hydrogen using your engine (electrical system) as a power source and then feed that hydrogen back into your car for any gain. Any "testing" you do or monitoring of your mileage is fatally flawed because there are too many variables to control.
In order for hydrogen to be a useful power source, you'd have to extract it for storage using some sort of nearly free power source like solar/hydro-electric/wind/etc. Basically, you're turning cheap electricity into useful burnable fuel.
Trying this gimmick in your car, you're actually burning more gas to handle the extra (admittedly negligible) load on your alternator to produce this hydrogen which results in an even more negligible difference in the power you're making with the engine.
Bottom line... it would defy the laws of physics for this to work. Don't be scammed.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16484_p2.html
#1. Water4gas
What is it?
The Water4Gas kit includes a book, some parts that look like they're stolen from your mom's kitchen and a theory that violates a bunch of scientific laws and creates some new ones along the way. Check out the above picture of the kit you can buy from these guys. We've seen the "Electrolyzer" and "Vaporizer" before. Except they were holding mayonnaise and pickles the last time we checked. At least they admitted that the spoon was just a spoon though.
It must be noted that the mayonnaise jar is new for 2008, which shows how the technology is improving every year.
If you can't trust "Ozzie Freedom," who can you trust?
What's it supposed to do?
The kit and instruction book are supposed to show you how you can improve your gas mileage by converting water into an amazing new fuel. According to the website, this fuel gives you "the atomic power of Hydrogen" which means their pickle jar will do what science previously thought required a power plant. Wow! We bet this makes the engineers at Toyota feel like a bunch of @!#$s!
Ozzie Freedom's device will supposedly cause each gallon of water to expand into "1883 gallons of combustible gas!!!" (exclamation marks from original site, along with the dubious use of gallons to measure a gas). This gas is something they like to call HHO (also known as "Brown's Gas") although sometimes on the site they like to just say it produces hydrogen.
Adding to all this confusion is that despite the fact that you get 1,883 gallons of this gas that they claim is three times more potent than gasoline, you can only look forward to your mileage uh ... doubling. Possibly.
What will it really do?
Besides set you back a couple hundred bucks for the book and parts if you buy it from them (less if you like eating pickles and mayonnaise), nothing. And that's good because if it did manufacture a highly-combustible gas, you sure as hell wouldn't want to start injecting it into your engine without a whole lot of other modifications. It's the same reason you don't want to fill your tank with gunpowder, on the basis that one explodey substance is as good as another.
Unfortunately, what they're trying to do violates a few laws of physics. In reality, it has to take more energy to split water molecules than you get back by doing it. When you hear car companies talk about making cars that run on hydrogen, they're talking about using enormous amounts of electricity from power plants to produce the hydrogen. In other words, to do what Water4Gas is claiming, you'd need a car battery so powerful that you could just run your whole car off it.
This one seems particularly popular among the conspiracy theorists on the net, since the whole premise of Water4Gas is that they're using "forgotten" patents on technology that was apparently "suppressed" by the evil oil companies.
So how were the oil companies able to stop General Motors and Honda from using it, but couldn't take down this one dude's website? That's why they call him Ozzie Freedom, baby!
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein
Personally I think it is pretty much a scam. I am old enough to ember the early 1970's gas crises & these things popped up back then. The U.S. government actually spent time investigating them & the claims & found it pure b.s. These guys using HH0 gas generators are running there cars leaner due to faking out O2 sensors and MAS ... Ie. Inlet air temp sensor. The only thing the hydrogen gas is doing for them is giving them a better flame propagation on an already lean f/a ratio... so yes you will get better gas mileage @ the expense of a higher cylinder head temperature & an extra load on an already small alternator.
FACT: Hydrogen gas under lab conditions can flash 8 miles in 1 second.
Just as a test I did buy 2 spark plug extenders & drilled one out to 7/8" all the way through, next i piggy backed them together put my 02 sensor inside... the one in the exhaust manifold & screwed the whole thing back in. LOL OH i gained 1 mpg more & increased my water temp by 5 - 10 degrees. I had no cylinder head temp gauge on the car so i cant tell you what it was but I bet it was up there. needless to say I am back to all stock & getting 30 mpg on the highway.
Since then I have found a company that sells a ceramic catylist oil additive. It chemically bonds a 2 micron layer of ceramic to hot metal at the intergranular level. It was 6 yrs in research & 5 years in real world testing. It is now being studied at a university in Iowa & all the test data is supposed to upload to the company website the end of July '08. They are claming 4 - 6% milage increase on a one time treatment. On 7/12 I put it in my engine & trans & am currently doing mileage checks for the next 4 weeks. I can swear to this though, I have noticed a smoother shifting trans after 40 miles. Oh the treatment is 2 oz for the engine & 2 oz for the trans.
If anybody wants the web addy let me know. I won't post it here because I don't want the moderators thinking I am trying to plug something or distribute it.
'05 Cav, 78K miles, 30 mpg @ 60mph - 100% factory original. @!#$ still got the original breaks on her - she is my highway commuter car only. LOL
Best regards to all the motor heads out there,
Fred H.
Fred Hubbard
Yea, I bought those plans for $50 a couple of weeks ago. I opened the box to find a half-eaten pbj sandwich, a mostly empty box of matches, and a small canister of half-empty "NOS" fuel additive.
After following the directions I ended up with a 50hp and 35mpg gain!
One slight note though, you have to hook the hydrogen into the crust of the bread or you'll have serious issues with misfiring.
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