Not the kit number, the actual front spring number.
I really need to make sure I got the right springs

Thank you <br>

My fronts are
3860.001

I need to know if that's the correct number
thanks <br>

may or may not help...

Product Front Rear Comments Part Number
PRO-KIT 1.4 in 1.4 in 3860.140
ANTI-ROLL-KIT 26mm sn 22mm sn Front Replaces OE. Rear attaches to Beam Axle. 3860.320
SPORTLINE KIT 1.7 in 2.3 in 4.6038
ALIGNMENT KIT Front +/-1.75 degrees of adjustment. 5.81260K


your numbers sound right though... i;ve installed 5 of these kits thus far <br>

Yeah, the individual spring numbers are going to be different from the kit number.

Wojtek: I'm assuming you've got the same issue as before with the new springs. You're not the only one either.

Event: You work in a shop, right? Have you done Prokit's on any of the 03/04 cars? There seems to be an issue developing and I'm wondering if anything at all has changed on those cars that we haven't noticed yet. Different mount? Anything different now that ABS is optional? There's gotta be something causing this...
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We went over the install again today at the shop.
Everything looks perfect.

I actually really don't know what to say. I should of got
GC's despite the hasher ride.

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weasle... if you consider me going to whom evers house or meeting someone somewhere to help em out.... nah dont work at a shop, but anytime someone has something to get done if i can help i do. i gain experience, and they gain a mod.

only thing i can even imagine would be the strut mount style.. not only has the newer mounts gone bad quicker, but i personally just dont like dealin with em. i still would reccomend the 96-99 mount as easier to work with.
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Wild Weasel wrote:Yeah, the individual spring numbers are going to be different from the kit number.

Wojtek: I'm assuming you've got the same issue as before with the new springs. You're not the only one either.

Event: You work in a shop, right? Have you done Prokit's on any of the 03/04 cars? There seems to be an issue developing and I'm wondering if anything at all has changed on those cars that we haven't noticed yet. Different mount? Anything different now that ABS is optional? There's gotta be something causing this...

OK so what gives? Is there just an issue with pro-kits?

L8R
Rich

no frikin clue at all

my shop is stumped and sitting on the phone with Eibach and the best
Eibach can say is to cut bump stops!!!

Once I heard that I threw in the towel

It's GC time... in several weeks

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That makes me wonder who the hell they're talking to at Eibach. The secretary???

Dude... when I show you what bump stops are, what they do, and how they do it, you'll realize how ridiculous that suggestion is.
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i'm still waiting to see if ANYONE on here is gonna measure WHILE they have their stock suspension on and then AFTER the prokits are on....


thats realistically the ONLY way you are gonna be able to tell....



that and measuring on solid flat ground....

as shown here http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=3&i=71378&t=71378 your original post, josh huber DOESNT have the problem... so it might actually be the car itself as we ALL should by now know not everything is dead on perfect.


it is just starting to seem alot of people are expecting 2.5 inches from 1.4 drop springs...

might not be the case here, but some on here are getting picky over 1/4 inch and 1/8th of an inch.... and for those some, you tell em to measure before...they dont do it, and if you tell em to measure on solid flat ground with no incline to either side left of right, then they get pissed.



one more thing wjotek.... the picture you posted saying "this doesnt look right"

lets take a look at where you measured your car....

<img src="http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/514000-514999/514905_9_full.jpg">

like i stated above and hundreds of times before....

you NEVER measure a car when its on an incline... the rear of the car is where most the weight shifts.....

above is the picture from your cardomain site which shows from the post you made above a long time ago where you posted this picture.

<img src="http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/514000-514999/514905_8_full.jpg">

you NEVEr measure a car on a hill like that.... i honestly believe thats where the problem resides....

prime example... go stand on a hill with one foot farther up on the hill.... the majority of your weight will be forced on the foot or leg that is lowest on the hill...

the same goes for your car... if the rear end of the car is the lowest on the drive way... then the rear will have most of the weight put on it....


thats should help you in solving the issue....




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Ohh man I knew I was gonna get burned for those pics.

You are totally correct Event. I took those pics just for fun to show the
rims I got in the photo forum. They were not meant to be used for
measurements even though I did use them to address my unevenness issue.

Sorry I know, and I look dumb considering the fact I made the same point to others.

Believe me the problem is not in my driveway. I had my friend drive the car across a new
parking as I watched and the front of the car is way up. In fact no matter where I park
the front is 27" up.

So yes I know the pictures were wrong Event. I shouldn't of used them.

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Anyway I don't want to cause anymore trouble.
I know that theres something wrong with my car.
And I am not expecting 2.5" out of my pro kit.
I expect the same drop in front which I got in the back.

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thats the only reason why i suggested doing the stock spring change... your car may have been that way from the factory...

hey i;ve seen worse things happen...

g'luck with it <br>

actually event i did measure my car all around before i put the goldlines on. and YES i DID get a higher passenger side, about 1/2" higher. and yes, after the goldlines, i had about a measured 2" drop in front and 2.5" drop in the rear. and thats measured, not guessed.

then again, goldlines are said to be 1.75 <br>


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So is it safe to say that the best bet unless someone figures out why the springs are so far off, is to get adjustable coilovers....

You know it is also weird that ......you would think that a "sag" would be caused by the motor and in the front end.

What if, they got it wrong and the spring/strut combo is too much for the front basically forcing the front end up and like a lever, forcing the rear down??????

I know that sounds off.....but....sounds like we are hitting a wall as it is now.....

Sooooo back to the original statement.....coilover's for 03-04 till we figure out what is up?!?!!?!?!!!??!!?!!?!?!

Keep researching.

I have an 04 and want to lower it crazy bad, but I am watching this post to see what you guys are coming up with......I can measure it with the stock suspension in place.....just tell me where you are getting your numbers for measurement from.....top of the tire? top of the lip of the rim? center of fender lip to center of wheel?

L8R
Rich

Viper98912 wrote:actually event i did measure my car all around before i put the goldlines on. and YES i DID get a higher passenger side, about 1/2" higher. and yes, after the goldlines, i had about a measured 2" drop in front and 2.5" drop in the rear. and thats measured, not guessed.

then again, goldlines are said to be 1.75

then its not the springs, its your car, unless we check into goldline springs sagging.


still though i cant vouch for where you and most measured their car.... i have to wait till someone posts a picture, then look up their cardommain profile and see where some measured in their driveways or back yards on a slant.

has anyone here heard of or knows what goes on in corner weighing and corner weighting?

basically this is the car when you put suspension on... since nothing is perfect, you have to weigh all 4 sides then have ballast put in or taken out....

all cars are like this, nothing is perfect from the factory.... even with coilovers, installing a pair and going out is what you should do, but what most do... the set em to where they LOOK level, but they really are NOT...

suspension isnt a set it and forget it ordeal as most may think it is.... if you want everything to be even, when you put performance parts on the engine you take it to a shop to tune the engine...

same goes for suspension... most speed shops especially ones that deal with scca and autoX event should have corner weighting scales.

go there if you really wanna find out why one side is up or down more... you HAVE to corner weight your car. <br>

so basicly i have to live it...

shame...

hope they come out with springs that will be nice for our 03-05 Cavy and sun. <br>

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2.2l 4cyl. Ecotec
5 speed manual

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elpaso wrote:so basicly i have to live it...

shame...

hope they come out with springs that will be nice for our 03-05 Cavy and sun.

well no car is gonna be made perfect...

so basicall most springs are nice, but if you want stuff to be even you get coilovers, which for most give the allusion of even.... or you get the car corner weighted....that way you KNOW its even. <br>

ronco, the springs were measured right after the install and about 5 miles worth of driving so they settle correctly. so there should have been NO sagging. as for the actual measurement, it was done from the edge of the fender to the top edge of the center cap on the stock z24 rim. this way, tire size or anything can NOT become a factor. and on a flat road too.

i can only persist and insist in my continuous saying that it is the geometry (or lack thereof) of the jbody suspension. and if people still dont believe me, i HAVE switched the two front springs left to right, AND getting a new replacement front pass spring, and still the same. three tries, no luck.

GIVE IT UP PEOPLE! <br>


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^^^ i can def agree to that

i;ve set coilovers to be even on others cars, but when the car is back ready to drive certain corners have been higher or lower. <br>

you know 1 thing no one ever mentions , and i find REALLY FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the cars with the ECOtec motor are at the minium 100 pounds LIGHTER in the nose , than the 2.2ohv and 2.4 tc cars


does anyone not realize that ?????????????????????????????


when i droped the g/fs cav 02 eco coupe , and my 00 2.4 sedan , my front fender lips sits closer to the top of my tire than hers does


when eibach designed the springs the eco wasnt around


if some one wants to set something up with eibach , i can get both car to cali for them to look at


but pretty much the front springs need to be different for the eco

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97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan) wrote:you know 1 thing no one ever mentions , and i find REALLY FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the cars with the ECOtec motor are at the minium 100 pounds LIGHTER in the nose , than the 2.2ohv and 2.4 tc cars


does anyone not realize that ?????????????????????????????


when i droped the g/fs cav 02 eco coupe , and my 00 2.4 sedan , my front fender lips sits closer to the top of my tire than hers does


when eibach designed the springs the eco wasnt around


if some one wants to set something up with eibach , i can get both car to cali for them to look at


but pretty much the front springs need to be different for the eco

joshua huber has the ecotec and has stated that his front is lower than the rear...which is normal with rake angles...

plus 100lbs isnt all that much... the 2.2 ohv lacks in extra parts than the DOHC engines... especially the ecotec... i;ve lifted all three by body.

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Re: yet another uneven drop issue, just like strat Quote Reply


Author: Joshua Huber
Date: 07-23-04 12:56 PM



I have pro kit on my 2003 ecotec, and my front end is slightly lower then the rear. Car is actually lowered quite nicely, and I won an autocross championship with it last year.I had 0 problems installing them. Maybe you purchased springs designed for another vehicle?
Joshua Huber
03' ecoTEC
Vtec is out, ecoTEC is in!

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=3&i=71378&t=71378

been mentioned, but the spring itself should be shorter upfront already...


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argh i dont know what do to. complaint to eibach or leave them like this ?!?! <br>

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is it REALLY bothering you?

do you have any performance or driving issues?

i mean seriously, even at car shows judges arent there with a ruler running around measuring gap...

if you dont have any performance issues which is what eibach made these for, then leave it be....

lord forbid if at every car meet or car show they have some midget running around with a ruler saying, "your gap sir, is .032 inches different from this one, please tell your girlfriend to not sit in the car while judging occurs"



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also a friend of mine with a 03 grand am , put the eibachs pro kit on it , and the front sits higher up than his friends with the 2.4 and others he knows with the 3400

100 pounds is alot to a spring , depending what its set up for


if it serioulsy bugs you call them , and let them know

i told mt friend with the grand am to install a spring that had a lower front drop to bring the front down , so it didnt look nose high


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