Just like the subject says - anyone out there have the RSM supercharger on an OHV and have pics of it? Just curious how it turns out installed - the pic on their website is awfully tiny.
I have heard a lot about RSM sucking and being ripped off. Just do what everyone else is doing and what I am thinking about doing and swap in an Ecotec and charge it
why is it everyone trash talks rsm who dont have their kit, i have it have not had any problems and love it, im startin to notice a pattern here, people who dont have the kit hear about it and automatically its garbage...
black03coupe wrote:why is it everyone trash talks rsm who dont have their kit, i have it have not had any problems and love it, im startin to notice a pattern here, people who dont have the kit hear about it and automatically its garbage...
Most of the attack has been against their unprofessionalism and business practices. Many more complained about pricing and how their products aren't worth the money, but that's somewhat subjective. I've read up on what people have to say about RSM and some actually have a reason to be upset, i.e. Wild Weasel. Others just complain because they've been told that they're a bad company. I try and stay out of these arguments because I have yet to have an issue with the company; there's no point in starting an argument when the person will still hold that opinion.
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I knew the old "RSM sucks and are a bunch of crooks" thing would probably come out when I posted this. I also get tired of people just saying that without having any actual experience of their own to back it up. For those who had problems, they've got a legitamate gripe, but everyone else who's just going on what they heard...well thanks for informing me that some have had problems, but I'll bet it's not nearly as many as it's made out to be, or else they wouldn't still be around.
Part of the reason I want to see pics is to see what kind of quality we're talking for their OHV S/C kit. I've heard both ends of the spectrum, that it's a good kit, and that it sucks ass. Pics of it might go a ways towards proving one or the other (although from looking through the boosted list, I think it's a long shot, not many have it).
As for an engine swap - simply put, no. The OHV in my wife's car is staying where it is, and we're working with what she's got. Why get rid of a perfectly good engine when our goal isn't to have an all out dragster or anything? We simply want to get the most we can out of her engine and still have it be pretty reliable (normal boosted problems aside). If you figure it's all of 90 whp or so stock (automatic), then you add somewhere around 10 whp for the full exhaust and 60 whp with a supercharger, it'll definitely be a noticeable difference, and with the weight of the car, it'll be more than enough to surprise the hell outta some unsuspecting drivers on the road.
black03coupe wrote:im startin to notice a pattern here, people who dont have the kit hear about it and automatically its garbage...
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But naww, that's a big trend here, if someone who has a respected car on here or is in good with people who have the more respected cars, whatever they say, 98% of the nOObs or followers will spread what they say.
There's always false info passed around the org (not saying this is one of them).
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Bballjamal (Cav-AtL) wrote:But naww, that's a big trend here, if someone who has a respected car on here or is in good with people who have the more respected cars, whatever they say, 98% of the nOObs or followers will spread what they say.
There's always false info passed around the org (not saying this is one of them).
Yeah, not saying that any of the info that's being passed around is false, I'll just bet that the problems aren't as common as it sounds. Like I've heard before on another forum, how many people do you know of that come on a forum and talk about all the wonderful experiences they've had with a company? Even those that do talk about those experiences are usually overshadowed by the ones that have complaints. So, the RSM thing will be what it is...
I'm still curious if anyone's got any pics of their OHV supercharger system.
Anyone???
Bueller? Bueller?
I don't have any experience with the supercharger setup, but the OHV parts I do have from them are complete crap... a ported intake manifold off a 2.2L S10 motor sold as a direct fit for the jbody (although there's no way to fit it with the power steering pump there), and a 59mm TB with a stock throttle plate...junk...VERY expensive junk.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
There are actually quite a few people who post about their good experience with companies. They just don't post about RSM because they don't exist.
I and many others have first-hand experience regarding the thievery that goes on at RSM.
You'll find there are two types of RSM customers. There are those who are either lucky enough to not have serious issues or who convince themselves (probably justifying to themselves how much they've spent) that their issues are normal and part of the modding game, and there are those who have tried to get their issues resolved and found out what thieves and bastards the RSM people are.
They're a crappy company run by thieves. This is not second hand, heard from my uncle's vet info... this is first hand. Do some searching and you'll find the details on SunfighterGT's experiences with them and the thousands it cost him. Search some more and you'll find more bad experiences.
The best advice is to avoid RSM like the plague they are and go with a turbo on your 2200. Tune it with the HP Tuners kit and you'll get better results at half the price.
Wild Weasel wrote:There are actually quite a few people who post about their good experience with companies. They just don't post about RSM because they don't exist.
I and many others have first-hand experience regarding the thievery that goes on at RSM.
You'll find there are two types of RSM customers. There are those who are either lucky enough to not have serious issues or who convince themselves (probably justifying to themselves how much they've spent) that their issues are normal and part of the modding game, and there are those who have tried to get their issues resolved and found out what thieves and bastards the RSM people are.
They're a crappy company run by thieves. This is not second hand, heard from my uncle's vet info... this is first hand. Do some searching and you'll find the details on SunfighterGT's experiences with them and the thousands it cost him. Search some more and you'll find more bad experiences.
The best advice is to avoid RSM like the plague they are and go with a turbo on your 2200. Tune it with the HP Tuners kit and you'll get better results at half the price.
uh, thats three types of RSM customers you listed there
But yes, from what I've seen of how the RSM blower performed on a 2200, (i think it was lundis or sinrocker's car... i forget who's who lol).... its not worth $4000+ To be honest, if you could get one used for $2500 or less, and then tune it with HPTuners (preferably dyno tuned by a pro), it wouldn't be that bad. The RSM kits biggest issue was belt slippage and piss-poor tuning from what i've read/seen. Rodimus' car on the RSM reflash ran lean as hell.
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Ofcourse it ran lean as hell. Someone very well known for tuning scanned one of their "reflashed" cars, guess what? They changed NOTHING except for the fan on/off temps.
Oh, by the way, if you want to see Nelson, the former owner of RSM, you can visit him at Canadian Tire, he is a tire changer there now. I guess Karma is starting to bite those thieves in the ass.
gtpsunfire wrote:Ofcourse it ran lean as hell. Someone very well known for tuning scanned one of their "reflashed" cars, guess what? They changed NOTHING except for the fan on/off temps.
Oh, by the way, if you want to see Nelson, the former owner of RSM, you can visit him at Canadian Tire, he is a tire changer there now. I guess Karma is starting to bite those thieves in the ass.
There's been all sorts of posts in the past about their "reflash" being complete BS.
And seriously?? A tire changer? That's awesome!!! Serves him right!
Is that for real??
Guys, let's keep this thread clean, he already knows about the RSM situation(s) and this thread was started to help find him pictures of the kit. I'm not trying to be a dik and I know I'm not a mod, but let's not go off-topic on a 2 page tangent about RSM again.
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Filip (The Polish Kid) wrote:Guys, let's keep this thread clean, he already knows about the RSM situation(s) and this thread was started to help find him pictures of the kit. I'm not trying to be a dik and I know I'm not a mod, but let's not go off-topic on a 2 page tangent about RSM again.
agree totally... but if the tire changer thing IS true, thats f-ing hysterical!
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It is true. He is a tire changer because he never got his mechanics license. And people want HIM working on their car???
I do have to agree to an extent that there are 3 types of RSM customers. I guess I'm lucky to fit in the cateogory that had great experiences from them. There is the good and the bad in all, and everybody is free I guess to state their opinions. I wish life were that easy where everything would just go smooth.
I was at RSM the other day and it is 100% not true about Nelson. He does not work at Canadian tire. He still works there. Craig and Bobby from what I know haven't been working there since late summer. They were good to me. Oh well
Yes, I've searched and read about the problems people have had with RSM - letting them borrow parts and never getting them back, crappy tuning from the reflash, etc. etc. However it still remains that there are 3 (well, 4, I guess, depending on how you group them) directions to go with building up the OHV (well, any car for that matter) - boost (turbo or S/C), nitrous, or all motor. I'm trying to find out as much as I can about the S/C option that's out there because, honestly, if the tuning for the RSM kit is the crappiest part, hell, just ditch their reflash crap and use a piggyback/FMU etc. to tune it. As for nitrous...well it's not very user friendly for the road, and all motor...a fully built, high compression, cammed, P&P'd OHV would make what, 180 whp or so at the most? And no, there will be no engine swap.
Oddly enough, it's almost the same situation as with my own car - the 3rd generation Eclipse GT (V6). There's one company that makes a supercharger kit, one or two that make a turbo (only one of which is good), and people who disagree about everything that you could possibly disagree on with both. Just like with the J's and RSM, the supercharger kit (from Rippmods) is known to come with crappy tuning from the manufacturer. Plus, there's more than a few stories of the company ripping people off (although the company denies it), and several issues with the kit itself - belt slippage, pulleys chewing up belts, parts missing when it was shipped, all sorts of fun stuff. On the other hand you have the turbo kits which there's only one viable one, it's expensive, and actually doesn't lend as high of gains (yet...people are still working with it).
Hell for that matter, the shop I had install my headers and exhaust on my car took three WEEKS to get it done, because of how crappy the rust was and how backed up they were after the first day, which was the only day they scheduled for my car. As someone else said...it's just the game of modding. Sometimes, you have to wait. And almost nothing is cheap, if it's worthwhile. The Jtuners kit is what, $2500...WITHOUT fuel mods or intercooling? Adding the intercooler kit brings it to almost $3500...within reasonable range of the RSM supercharger kit...
I'm just trying to weigh all options. I know on a J the turbo will produce greater gains in the end, however I've also read that after boosting and tuning, usually the S/C setups are more reliable (or so the FAQ says at least...)
People, gossip and personal vendettas, in the end, only hurt a community as a whole. Did you ever perhaps even consider that when RSM hears "j-body.org" they cringe because they know, yes, they screwed up, and they've now been dragged through the mud and no one wants to do business with them? Here's the reality - the J's do not have the aftermarket support that many other cars (Honda, Nissan, etc) have. How many options are there really for people with the OHV - Jtuners, RSM, importperformanceparts.net (did you even know about that turbo kit?)...custom...that's about it isn't it? Yes, RSM screwed some people over, but I'll bet they realize that and honestly now, rather than trying to deal with people asking them "now am I actually going to GET this part this time, and will it work," they'd rather just forget about the J-bodies as a whole. After all, I doubt they're making much money off of them, especially now. Sometimes you have to have some patience for people/companies when things take a while or even go wrong - they're almost doing US a favor by making stuff for our cars when the bigger companies (think Greddy and such) won't even look our way. We of course have the right to expect to be treated fairly and get good quality, but expect to work with them.
Now that I'm off my soap box...if anyone actually has PICTURES of the kit to offer, I'd still like to see them. But rest assured, I'm well, very VERY well, aware of the stories of RSM that have gone around, I'm NOT just a 17 year old kid who wants to drop the easiest kit I can into my car so I can beat the kid with the Honduh down the road (1st, I'm 26, 2nd, it's not my car, it's my wife's, and 3rd, we're not really interested in racing anyone...at least on the street :-) Anything bought through them would be done carefully and in a manner in which we would be assured they wouldn't just up and steal our money (i.e. through bank cards...they @!#$ us over, we call the bank and have them handle it)
Marcus Williams wrote:Here's the reality - the J's do not have the aftermarket support that many other cars (Honda, Nissan, etc) have. How many options are there really for people with the OHV - Jtuners, RSM, importperformanceparts.net (did you even know about that turbo kit?)...custom...that's about it isn't it? Yes, RSM screwed some people over, but I'll bet they realize that and honestly now, rather than trying to deal with people asking them "now am I actually going to GET this part this time, and will it work," they'd rather just forget about the J-bodies as a whole. After all, I doubt they're making much money off of them, especially now. Sometimes you have to have some patience for people/companies when things take a while or even go wrong - they're almost doing US a favor by making stuff for our cars when the bigger companies (think Greddy and such) won't even look our way. We of course have the right to expect to be treated fairly and get good quality, but expect to work with them.
I don't think you understand the other companies this 'community' has been through. After they screw everyone over or get called out, they don't make amends and correct their business problems, they milk every last sucker they can and then go. All the 'old timers' here know of these other companies, and just about all of them could agree that they've been screwed over by at least one.
Personally, I'd rather have my money and no product than a shoddy product (or no product at all in some cases) and no money.
If they can't produce, they need to go.
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As for an engine swap - simply put, no. The OHV in my wife's car is staying where it is, and we're working with what she's got. Why get rid of a perfectly good engine when our goal isn't to have an all out dragster or anything? We simply want to get the most we can out of her engine and still have it be pretty reliable (normal boosted problems aside). If you figure it's all of 90 whp or so stock (automatic), then you add somewhere around 10 whp for the full exhaust and 60 whp with a supercharger, it'll definitely be a noticeable difference, and with the weight of the car, it'll be more than enough to surprise the hell outta some unsuspecting drivers on the road.
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and all motor...a fully built, high compression, cammed, P&P'd OHV would make what, 180 whp or so at the most?
not to be rude, but what are you looking for? your asking for 160 from an exhaust and RSM supercharger and think its great, but 180 for cheaper, ( maybe a little longer on the build) is crap?
I dont have any pics, but im sure that the pics you have seen are about the same as everyone elses. Hell ive got a turbo kit sittin in my garage now that im thinking about selling for 1500. Let me know if you want to go that route. Just listen to the people here, the money you spend will not be worth the time and hassle that RSM provides.
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As for an engine swap - simply put, no. The OHV in my wife's car is staying where it is, and we're working with what she's got. Why get rid of a perfectly good engine when our goal isn't to have an all out dragster or anything? We simply want to get the most we can out of her engine and still have it be pretty reliable (normal boosted problems aside). If you figure it's all of 90 whp or so stock (automatic), then you add somewhere around 10 whp for the full exhaust and 60 whp with a supercharger, it'll definitely be a noticeable difference, and with the weight of the car, it'll be more than enough to surprise the hell outta some unsuspecting drivers on the road.
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and all motor...a fully built, high compression, cammed, P&P'd OHV would make what, 180 whp or so at the most?
not to be rude, but what are you looking for? your asking for 160 from an exhaust and RSM supercharger and think its great, but 180 for cheaper, ( maybe a little longer on the build) is crap?
I dont have any pics, but im sure that the pics you have seen are about the same as everyone elses. Hell ive got a turbo kit sittin in my garage now that im thinking about selling for 1500. Let me know if you want to go that route. Just listen to the people here, the money you spend will not be worth the time and hassle that RSM provides.
No, the all motor route wouldn't be crap at all, but how much would that cost? I don't think $4000 that you're talking for turbo/SC would touch an all motor build, especially since pretty much all of that work would have to be done by a shop. Plus, after dropping, let's just say for the sake of discussion, $6000 into a build...there's nowhere to go after that. Turbo, you can up the boost, SC, you can get a different pulley (although it wouldn't be easy). True, we're not looking for HP/quarter mile time records, but building yourself into a corner isn't really a good idea either.
And I didn't say that 160 whp from exhaust/SC would be "great," but it would be a definite improvement. Honestly I drive a 200 whp car as it is with intake, headers, and exhaust - my wife probably would like hers to be as fast as mine, but it'll take a lot more money to get it there...assuming I don't make any more changes (which I will be).
Anyways, I'm done here - the whole point, as several others besides me pointed out, was to see if anyone had pics of the RSM S/C, not to revive the RSM bashing that I've found all over. There's no point in rehashing 2 pages of dirt on RSM. Point taken - watch out for them, they can be shady.
so no one here has posted pics... I went to rsm got a tb for my 2.2l and an intake manifold.. I had iddle problems.. I watched them electronically adjust things on my ecu...
joshua patterson got a tb and intake manifold.. he had iddle problems and took it to a dealer and they messed up his car... Not rsm's fault...
I'm verry happy with my parts..
bu I was also their for 3 hours talking to them and drove up their telling them I was... I watched them take my tb off and mill it out, and make a new plate for it...
I guess that with everything it's relative.. I have a rsm intake manifold and tb and an exploited turbo manifold.. I'm happy with both.
You have to remember that if you are going to bodify your car YOU HAVE TO MODIFY IT.. Nothing ever fits right, everything needs adjusted, parts break,and you need a welder...
The bigest problem with rsm's charger is not rsm it's the vortec charger. it's real hard to work right... It's a turbo spun by a belt...
my turbo spins at 30,000+ rpm's
and the vortec spins at what???
oh well i'm drunk and probably don't make sence..... roosting...LOL
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Josh Csepegi (CUYOTE) wrote:so no one here has posted pics... I went to rsm got a tb for my 2.2l and an intake manifold.. I had iddle problems.. I watched them electronically adjust things on my ecu...
joshua patterson got a tb and intake manifold.. he had iddle problems and took it to a dealer and they messed up his car... Not rsm's fault...
I'm verry happy with my parts..
bu I was also their for 3 hours talking to them and drove up their telling them I was... I watched them take my tb off and mill it out, and make a new plate for it...
I guess that with everything it's relative.. I have a rsm intake manifold and tb and an exploited turbo manifold.. I'm happy with both.
You have to remember that if you are going to bodify your car YOU HAVE TO MODIFY IT.. Nothing ever fits right, everything needs adjusted, parts break,and you need a welder...
The bigest problem with rsm's charger is not rsm it's the vortec charger. it's real hard to work right... It's a turbo spun by a belt...
my turbo spins at 30,000+ rpm's
and the vortec spins at what???
oh well i'm drunk and probably don't make sence..... roosting...LOL
Pictures might be inthe instruction manual on line.
http://www.rsmracing.com/instructions/2200.pdf
Not sure why you are saying Vortech blowers are the trouble. I was taken for a ride in a 350Z equiped with a Vortech designed kit. The thing truely scared me. The fastest Mustang in the world was Vortech powered until this year. Vortech blowers definately need a specific criteria taken into account to work well. Thier efficiency is second to no other compressor.
Your opinion is certainly valid. Modding cars should come with a great deal of patience. Making things fit is certainly a normal issue. However, if you are paying the high price for any product, it should fit and work out of the box. A perfect example is the Eaton kits from GMPP. I have yet to hear of any fitment or drivability issues with the kits. Not one!
