weve been through this debate before on here. the aggreement is that these kits do help a little, but only because your stock wires are made really @!#$ty and are partially oxidized from the factory and these aftermarket wires are clean
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While there is a false claim on the HP gain, that is quite a clean looking kit.
heh. Looks like you can put "JDM" in the title of ANYTHING to make it sell!
It's a shame they don't tell you what gauge the wires are.
that is exactly what i meant. The fact that they are advertising that these wires will increase horsepower. and i bet there are people that fall for that.
yeah, they won't increase horsepower at all, really all theyre helpful for is if you have a stereo, the wires help. i don't beleve they give any horsepower at all
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With those wires and an electric "turbo" you'd have a fast car
heh.
For the record... technically better wires CAN give you more hp. It takes power to turn your alternator. The more amperage your alternator has to put out, the harder it is to turn. This should be very obvious when you switch on your rear defrost while the car is sitting at idle. You'll hear the rpm's drop a little as the alternator gets more difficult to turn and then come back up as the engine compensates by giving a little more fuel.
With that in mind, note that if you have smaller or crappier wires and they're providing more resistance, you'll have to move more amperage through your system to power your stuff, including firing the spark plugs.
If that's an issue, and with many older cars it is, then there are gains to be had by replacing those wires with bigger and newer wires. You're not really "making" more hp but you're freeing some up when using your electrics.
I've heard it can make a very noticable difference in performance of the accessories like window motors and headlights if you upgrade ALL the wiring and that includes the main engine wiring.
I'm going to be testing that theory directly sometime this year as I upgrade my door and sunroof accessory wiring to 14 or 16 AWG instead of what comes in there stock, as well as upgrading the main battery and alternator wiring.
Wild Weasel wrote:heh.
For the record... technically better wires CAN give you more hp. It takes power to turn your alternator. The more amperage your alternator has to put out, the harder it is to turn. This should be very obvious when you switch on your rear defrost while the car is sitting at idle. You'll hear the rpm's drop a little as the alternator gets more difficult to turn and then come back up as the engine compensates by giving a little more fuel.
With that in mind, note that if you have smaller or crappier wires and they're providing more resistance, you'll have to move more amperage through your system to power your stuff, including firing the spark plugs.
Uhhh, No.
If you have crappy wires the extra resistance will cause less current to get to your electrical components including your spark plugs. Better wires allow more current to get to the spark plugs and cause better ignition.
Personally I don't think more grounds are beneficial if your current ones are in good shape.
5 to 8 HP Gain after Installation
Labotomi wrote:Wild Weasel wrote:heh.
For the record... technically better wires CAN give you more hp. It takes power to turn your alternator. The more amperage your alternator has to put out, the harder it is to turn. This should be very obvious when you switch on your rear defrost while the car is sitting at idle. You'll hear the rpm's drop a little as the alternator gets more difficult to turn and then come back up as the engine compensates by giving a little more fuel.
With that in mind, note that if you have smaller or crappier wires and they're providing more resistance, you'll have to move more amperage through your system to power your stuff, including firing the spark plugs.
Uhhh, No.
If you have crappy wires the extra resistance will cause less current to get to your electrical components including your spark plugs. Better wires allow more current to get to the spark plugs and cause better ignition.
Personally I don't think more grounds are beneficial if your current ones are in good shape.
Werent you arguing exactly the opposite of me last time this was brought up?
Also I was gonna buy this thinking hey there is definatly 4 dollars worth of wiring and hardware there, then I saw shipping, dam the shipping.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
Labotomi wrote:Wild Weasel wrote:heh.
For the record... technically better wires CAN give you more hp. It takes power to turn your alternator. The more amperage your alternator has to put out, the harder it is to turn. This should be very obvious when you switch on your rear defrost while the car is sitting at idle. You'll hear the rpm's drop a little as the alternator gets more difficult to turn and then come back up as the engine compensates by giving a little more fuel.
With that in mind, note that if you have smaller or crappier wires and they're providing more resistance, you'll have to move more amperage through your system to power your stuff, including firing the spark plugs.
Uhhh, No.
If you have crappy wires the extra resistance will cause less current to get to your electrical components including your spark plugs. Better wires allow more current to get to the spark plugs and cause better ignition.
Personally I don't think more grounds are beneficial if your current ones are in good shape.
I'm not quite sure I'm wording it right but the point is that with the higher resistance of the wires, the alternator has to produce more power to get through them to power the accessories. That means the load on the alternator is increased and it's pumping out more power, even though that power isn't necessarily getting to your accessories.
Jbody2nr wrote:
Werent you arguing exactly the opposite of me last time this was brought up?
Maybe. I couldn't find a thread about this where you and I posted replies.
If you install one of these sets it won't hurt anything, but if you actually see a noticable improvement, then you had another problem such as a bad connection on an existing cable.
Wild Weasel wrote:[I'm not quite sure I'm wording it right but the point is that with the higher resistance of the wires, the alternator has to produce more power to get through them to power the accessories. That means the load on the alternator is increased and it's pumping out more power, even though that power isn't necessarily getting to your accessories.
I know this seems to make sense, but it isn't what's happening.
higher resistance means lower current, lower current means lower power, lower power means less load on the alternator. Take it to the extremes and look at what happens when you unhook your alternator completely. Resistance goes up (to infinite), no current flows, no power is produced. Bad wiring gives the same basic result just to a lesser extent.
Keep in mind that the alternator voltage is regulated to be constant. If it's regulated at 14V and you turn on some equipment, it will drop temporarily but come back up to the same 14V. Alternator current is inversely proportional to system resistance. Meaning as system resistance goes up, current goes down.
I'll apologize. I've never been good at explaining things. It's why I always declined to be an instructor when I was in the Navy.
the shipping is probably the cost of the kit. You're biddin for how much you want to pay for shipping
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-Chris
Labotomi wrote:Jbody2nr wrote:
Werent you arguing exactly the opposite of me last time this was brought up?
Maybe. I couldn't find a thread about this where you and I posted replies.
If you install one of these sets it won't hurt anything, but if you actually see a noticable improvement, then you had another problem such as a bad connection on an existing cable.
I think it was in the performance forum, but I couldnt find it either. It may have been someone else, but I know you posted in it as well.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
Jbody2nr wrote:
I think it was in the performance forum, but I couldnt find it either. It may have been someone else, but I know you posted in it as well.
I don't usually visit the performance forum, but I looked there and found this thread which you might have meant
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=47&i=31813&t=31640#31813
I didn't post there and hopefully you haven't confused me with kyle
LOL!! i luv these bullsh*ters from ebay!! if we listen to them i cud of get my 2.2 97 reach 1000000hp now! it does help but cmon!! 5-10hp....lol!!! yeh and the chips they sell that increases what..25% more hp between 1k-5k rpm...yeh sure! still...makes us laught... but i know many dumbfks who fall for this! we should make a new topic called... dont buy ebay cheap crap!
Labotomi wrote:Jbody2nr wrote:
I think it was in the performance forum, but I couldnt find it either. It may have been someone else, but I know you posted in it as well.
I don't usually visit the performance forum, but I looked there and found this thread which you might have meant http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=47&i=31813&t=31640#31813
I didn't post there and hopefully you haven't confused me with kyle
LOL Man do I feel like an ass. I cant believe I confused you with him. I dont know why.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
i was looking through an import tuner mag. its the one where they put on upgrades and do dynos to see how much each part makes. they put a ground kit on i forget which car. and only gained a whoppin 1lb of tq. probably coincidence
Working on obtainting an M-Class license... ?? Hint: 2 wheels.
11 #'s of tq is better then 0.
The car they put the ground kit on was a 2nd gen talon, and ther is a couple of diffrent ways to mount the ground kit for what you want it to increase. The kit they used came from HKS though and cost like 200 not 30 from ebay.
