Here is lack of experience for you, go and build a 350 into a 600+ hp car. Try that, childish, how about you, no advice, only your own comments. Not to mention, like what I said, you do not know what my intensions are for this car. 25psi and 600hp, no. I want to tune the VCM the way I WANT IT, NOT THE WAY GM WANTS IT. THAT IS MY WHOLE ENTIRE POINT. So next time you want to talk sh*&, at least have a f'ing clue to what someone is talking about. Besides there was only a couple people had any advice, the one that really stuck out and gave me what idea that I am going to go with is Shifted. Wild Weasel, DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ), and Shifted, thanks, the advice I got from the 3 of you, that is what I am going to do. Get a spare ECU and tune that to my liking, the stock ECU let the reflash happen to that. Protomec, stay out of the threads that I make, I want to hear nothing from you.


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protomec, SweetnessGT , this is only for tht 2 of you. First - I have never done anything with HPTuner, so I asked if it came with a base or not, since I have not done anything with this program before, thought that it was a good question to ask in here, also that may answer something to SweetnessGT. Secondly - Protomec, you have no clue to what I know and what I do not know. I know there are many varibles to go into tunning your VCM, I know what it can and can not do. Also, now I know that it does NOT come with a base program to through into the VCM and go from there, you set everything from square 1 to 999. Lastly, Protomec, your in absolutely no position to make any kind of comment on anyone's intelligence level. Furthermore, why would GM lock the ECU? Oh wait, that is right, they do not want anyone playing with the setup that they give you which is not going to give you the optimum performance that the S/C is able to obtain. So Protomec, you are not me s odo ner ever say you know what I am trying to do, that makes you an idoit. When you make assumptions you immediately make an a$$ out of yourself.


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05cav LS Sedan wrote: Secondly - Protomec, you have no clue to what I know and what I do not know. I know there are many varibles to go into tunning your VCM, I know what it can and can not do. Also, now I know that it does NOT come with a base program to through into the VCM and go from there, you set everything from square 1 to 999.

Your presenting many clues for us to follow, and its really not looking to good for you.

If you could even simply read the posts in this thread you would understand that HP starts out with your own base program. You don't start at square one at all.

05cav LS Sedan wrote:Lastly, Protomec, your in absolutely no position to make any kind of comment on anyone's intelligence level.

Oh, I do believe I am.

05cav LS Sedan wrote:Furthermore, why would GM lock the ECU? Oh wait, that is right, they do not want anyone playing with the setup that they give you which is not going to give you the optimum performance that the S/C is able to obtain.

GM had ZERO concern about HP tuners. HP didn't even exist for our cars till after the SC Kit came out. The real reason its "locked" is more likely someone took the easy way out and simply skipped entering information when generating the calibration. We that step ourselves all the time here when we are doing internal test runs. We even once released one final production release that way by accident ourselves... its easy to have happen.
It has absolutely nothing to do with what anyone might want to change.


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let me put this so that a child can understand. Origianally asking if that HPTuner came with a base program to load into your ECU then reprogram the ECU to your preference (meaning the way you would like it). That was answered long before you put your 2 cents in, which I beleive is all you capable of giving. The last thing that I will explain to you is this, square 1 means the stock programing. But seeing how your so smart you should have known this. Which is exactly where the following is going:


05cav LS Sedan wrote:

Lastly, Protomec, your in absolutely no position to make any kind of comment on anyone's intelligence level.

Protomec:
Oh, I do believe I am.

You obviously do not get anything. Your arrogance almost makes me feel sorry for you, but I do feel sorry for your family that have to deal with your arrogance daily. Besides there is no reason you should come on here acting like an a$$hole.


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I'm in a kind of similar situation to this, only I was one of the few unlucky ones to have already gotten the reflash for my eco before i got hptuners...before we found out it wasn't going to work. So now, I've got the reflash on my pcm and can't use hptuners (except for scanning purposes) with it. But I thought of the second pcm idea, and am working on that now, so hopefully I can answer some of your questions you've ran into...and hopefully eventually we can work together on this. The price of a second pcm is relatively cheap if you find the right place. I got mine for $50. It's extremely easy to swap pcm's in and out, no tools required even. As far as vats, you only need to disable it on the second pcm, and i believe only once. You can swap back in the reflashed one without that problem...

However..I noticed after I swapped back in my reflashed pcm it ran a little slower 0-60...by about 2 or 3 tenths of a second, not a lot, but still noticable. Over a few days, I *think* it may be back to normal, so me and shifted's best guess is that the fuel trims got reset.

As far as the actual retuning of the second pcm...i'm still in the early stages..the doing my homework stages. Make sure you read up on faking a 2 bar tune...only it will be 2.5 bar in our case. Here's my idea for a lot of the rest...compare files between a stock 2.4 file and a s/c tune (or reflashed) file, and use those differences (probably in percentages would be best) to update the stock eco tune. I believe their is a s/c tune for the 2.4 on www.horist.com/hptuner and a reflash (note: correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe hptuners works with the 2.4 s/c reflash). So anyways...use those differences to update the stock eco pcm and that should get you to a relatively good point.

However..there is a problem with the VE tables...for the s/c reflash files it goes off of the map readings...whereas stock it goes off of tps...so since you can't (as far as i know) change what it goes off of, you're going to have to tune VE based off of tps instead of map. This may be solved by looking at the s/c tune (non reflash file) for comparison...if not, just slowly tune greater and greater rpms til you fill in the table by test and tune, test and tune.

Well that's all I can think of for now, just make sure to do a lot of reading up on here and on the hptuners forum and you'll be ok. I'll hopefully have some more stuff done as well and be able to help. If there's anyone else working on a similar situation, please comment so we can get more people on this problem. Good luck.