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Limewire, kazaa, winmx, ares, bearshare, etc are all programs used typically to download illegal copies of songs. Itunes, napster and other pay programs are used to download legal copies of songs.
Discussing where to get illegal copies of songs on the forums is not permitted, no matter how carefully you word it.
How about the Forum Moderator give people the benefit of the doubt and quit acting like the teacher from Pink Floyd: The Wall? There are legal uses for the software, and it's ultimately the responsibility of the person at the computer to decide what to use it for.
Everyone of the listed programs are 100% legal. Yes, they are distributed, sold and freely exchanged. The content that individuals decide to share and search out may, or may not be.
How's about letting the individual decide what to do? Machzel didn't say "Hey, here's a great place to get tons of illegal copyrighted software and songs!" He gave his opinion on the software, and its access to content. There wasn't anything explicitly stating that he was talking about illegal downloads, so let's not assume the worst?
I understand JBO's site liability, but this is getting a tad rediculous. People know right from wrong, how about not insulting people and letting them read and respond?
Grow up.
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I'll repost my original question.....
Does Kazaa Lite still work because I can't access the net when I use it. I think I read somewhere that Kazaa shut down but I don't remember.
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yes it works.
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Yes, Kazaa lite does work. But why use a Fast Track client when there are many better ways of transferring files?
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
I think there's bigger issues with illegal racing activities posted in the Versus forum, but
the RIAA is likely more active in searching out forums/sources of information regarding
intellectual property downloading, regardless of whether people claim its for legal use only.
I can't blame Dave for wanting to keep this stuff off of his website. The last thing he needs
is for this forum to get known as a source of information for "Limewire, kazaa, winmx, ares,
bearshare, etc"
By locking the topic, it's acknowledged to be against the rules.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Yes, Kazaa lite does work. But why use a Fast Track client when there are many better ways of transferring files?
I seriously don't know of any better ways. I use bit torrent sites now, but I find it's easier to use kazaa if I want to get smaller files.
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ToBoGgAn wrote:we are gonna take it in the ass and like it, cause thats what america does.
Slo2pt2 (Projekt Unknown?) wrote:One my SON is ADHD N.O.S and Autistic Spectrum Disorder. I will nto medicate him he will battle throught this himself and learn to control it.
As I recall, GAM, the issue regarding implied uses of such software has been discusses with you before in AG. When the topic is clearly about downloading MUSIC using those programs, it leaves little doubt in my mind the legality of the use of such programs. Sometimes I feel that you simply argue for the sake of arguing. Regardless of what you CAN do with the software, the discussion in those threads had a specific point - downloading music, which is illegal.
Like you say though, those programs can be used to download other such material. Therefore, I moved this to the war forum so we can discuss both sides of using said software.
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How's about letting the individual decide what to do?
Sure, then why don't we let the individuals decide if they should speed or not? Why don't we let the individuals decide if they should kill or not. There are laws in place, and when those people break those laws, there is a punishment. This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
Discuss.
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damn...this place makes my head hurt w/all the readin...
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:There are legal uses for the software
Ok, tell me one thing that you LEGALLY downloaded using one of the aforementioned programs?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein
Yeah I think those programs have more porn than music. I'm not trying to argue, I just like to make irrelevant points and wanted to get emails from this thread. Haha. I think GAM is finally going to lose one.
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Forum Moderator wrote:Regardless of what you CAN do with the software, the discussion in those threads had a specific point - downloading music, which is illegal.
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How's about letting the individual decide what to do?
Dave wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:There are legal uses for the software
Ok, tell me one thing that you LEGALLY downloaded using one of the aforementioned programs?
Downloading (even copyrighted)music is NOT necessary illegal, any more than me copying my cds so I can leave the originals@home(when you've had a 200+ cd wallet stolen you might do that too). Say I bought a
Despised Icon cd, I am free to LEGALLY download that cd as I please.
Although most of this isn't people downloading what they legitimately bought, it does happen. I'm NOT about to re-purchase what I've has stolen from me. let the RIAA come after me LOL. Since I have the CD cases the RIAA can kiss my a$$ in court.
Now I'm fuzzier on this but IIRC people can download something they don't own for evaluation purposes provided they either -
1. Destroy all copies of said intellectual property after 24 hours from initial download
or
2. Purchase said intellectual property within 24 hours from initial download
As I said I'm not 100% on that one but I may look that up later. But I definitely will always try before I buy. I bought maybe 3 cds before Napster came along. I'm a far more into music than I ever was. Purchasing or not, I think its safe to assume that most people using whatever file-sharing program are far more into music because of it.
Lets face it - the people who download w/out buying where never really going to buy anyways. I'd like to see an
honest statistic on how many people bought a CD because they heard it first(mostly through downloading) - you won't find that from the RIAA
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How's about letting the individual decide what to do?
Sure, then why don't we let the individuals decide if they should speed or not? Why don't we let the individuals decide if they should kill or not. There are laws in place, and when those people break those laws, there is a punishment. This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
Discuss.
See here's the thing about this site's "what you can post" guide lines - Inconsistencies.
So do you wanna guess how many people are learning from here how to "throw on NAWS"(lol), then using it to break more laws than I want to know about. Do you think that it isn't a fact that - a large percentage ARE using this(or any modification) to break the law?
You CAN legally use a 230HP 2.4 DOHC(for example). You CAN legally use Kazaa or whatever. Spare me the percentages.
You think you're less liable for someone learning how to go faster from here than learning how to download files from here?!
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This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
OH REALLY.... Do you know that modifying your vehicle to deliver N2O is illegal is some states, modifying away from stock exhaust is illegal in some states? Every non-C.A.R.B. approved modification is illegal in CA. Do you refuse to allow people to post how to install intake "X" because of that?!
I think not...
Now this site doesn't by any means promote driving 100MPH+ down a residential street, but it DOES promote giving your car the power to do so. Some mature/common-sense restraint is implied. So why different with software?
If promoting "software X" is promoting piracy, then promoting speed parts is promoting reckless street races. Both notions are ridiculous. You cannot have it both ways.
GAM - I'm right with you here 100%
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
Bastardking3000 wrote:
If promoting "software X" is promoting piracy, then promoting speed parts is promoting reckless street races. Both notions are ridiculous. You cannot have it both ways.
Nicely said.
The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong.
AGuSTiN wrote:Yeah I think those programs have more porn than music. I'm not trying to argue, I just like to make irrelevant points and wanted to get emails from this thread. Haha. I think GAM is finally going to lose one.
Man I knew getting emails from this thread would be good reading.
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Bastardking3000 wrote:Forum Moderator wrote:Regardless of what you CAN do with the software, the discussion in those threads had a specific point - downloading music, which is illegal.
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How's about letting the individual decide what to do?
Dave wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:There are legal uses for the software
Ok, tell me one thing that you LEGALLY downloaded using one of the aforementioned programs?
Downloading (even copyrighted)music is NOT necessary illegal, any more than me copying my cds so I can leave the originals@home(when you've had a 200+ cd wallet stolen you might do that too). Say I bought a Despised Icon cd, I am free to LEGALLY download that cd as I please.
Although most of this isn't people downloading what they legitimately bought, it does happen. I'm NOT about to re-purchase what I've has stolen from me. let the RIAA come after me LOL. Since I have the CD cases the RIAA can kiss my a$$ in court.
Now I'm fuzzier on this but IIRC people can download something they don't own for evaluation purposes provided they either -
1. Destroy all copies of said intellectual property after 24 hours from initial download
or
2. Purchase said intellectual property within 24 hours from initial download
As I said I'm not 100% on that one but I may look that up later. But I definitely will always try before I buy. I bought maybe 3 cds before Napster came along. I'm a far more into music than I ever was. Purchasing or not, I think its safe to assume that most people using whatever file-sharing program are far more into music because of it.
Lets face it - the people who download w/out buying where never really going to buy anyways. I'd like to see an honest statistic on how many people bought a CD because they heard it first(mostly through downloading) - you won't find that from the RIAA
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How's about letting the individual decide what to do?
Sure, then why don't we let the individuals decide if they should speed or not? Why don't we let the individuals decide if they should kill or not. There are laws in place, and when those people break those laws, there is a punishment. This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
Discuss.
See here's the thing about this site's "what you can post" guide lines - Inconsistencies.
So do you wanna guess how many people are learning from here how to "throw on NAWS"(lol), then using it to break more laws than I want to know about. Do you think that it isn't a fact that - a large percentage ARE using this(or any modification) to break the law?
You CAN legally use a 230HP 2.4 DOHC(for example). You CAN legally use Kazaa or whatever. Spare me the percentages.
You think you're less liable for someone learning how to go faster from here than learning how to download files from here?!
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This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
OH REALLY.... Do you know that modifying your vehicle to deliver N2O is illegal is some states, modifying away from stock exhaust is illegal in some states? Every non-C.A.R.B. approved modification is illegal in CA. Do you refuse to allow people to post how to install intake "X" because of that?!
I think not...
Now this site doesn't by any means promote driving 100MPH+ down a residential street, but it DOES promote giving your car the power to do so. Some mature/common-sense restraint is implied. So why different with software?
If promoting "software X" is promoting piracy, then promoting speed parts is promoting reckless street races. Both notions are ridiculous. You cannot have it both ways.
GAM - I'm right with you here 100%
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Unholysavage wrote:Bastardking3000 wrote:
If promoting "software X" is promoting piracy, then promoting speed parts is promoting reckless street races. Both notions are ridiculous. You cannot have it both ways.
Nicely said.
hmmm..good argument
Say it with me, "Its not what you know...It's what you can prove"
Bastardking3000 wrote:Downloading (even copyrighted)music is NOT necessary illegal, any more than me copying my cds so I can leave the originals@home(when you've had a 200+ cd wallet stolen you might do that too). Say I bought a Despised Icon cd, I am free to LEGALLY download that cd as I please.
Although most of this isn't people downloading what they legitimately bought, it does happen. I'm NOT about to re-purchase what I've has stolen from me. let the RIAA come after me LOL. Since I have the CD cases the RIAA can kiss my a$$ in court.
The RIAA is free to "kiss your a$$" all that want, but JBO WILL NOT be a party to it.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Now I'm fuzzier on this but IIRC people can download something they don't own for evaluation purposes provided they either -
1. Destroy all copies of said intellectual property after 24 hours from initial download
or
2. Purchase said intellectual property within 24 hours from initial download
You've been reading too many "warez sites" and ".nfo file" disclaimers. "Evaluation purposes" is a farce, and is completely illegal. Once again, JBO won't be a party to it.
Bastardking3000 wrote:As I said I'm not 100% on that one but I may look that up later. But I definitely will always try before I buy. I bought maybe 3 cds before Napster came along. I'm a far more into music than I ever was. Purchasing or not, I think its safe to assume that most people using whatever file-sharing program are far more into music because of it.
Lets face it - the people who download w/out buying where never really going to buy anyways. I'd like to see an honest statistic on how many people bought a CD because they heard it first(mostly through downloading) - you won't find that from the RIAA
You can quote whatever statistic you want about how many CDs you have bought or your friends have bought or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that downloading music is copyright infringement, is illegal, and discussing it in these forums is a violation of the Terms of Service.
Bastardking3000 wrote:See here's the thing about this site's "what you can post" guide lines - Inconsistencies.
So do you wanna guess how many people are learning from here how to "throw on NAWS"(lol), then using it to break more laws than I want to know about. Do you think that it isn't a fact that - a large percentage ARE using this(or any modification) to break the law?
You CAN legally use a 230HP 2.4 DOHC(for example). You CAN legally use Kazaa or whatever. Spare me the percentages.
You think you're less liable for someone learning how to go faster from here than learning how to download files from here?!
The NHTSA doesn't shut down websites for discussing upgrades to cars. The RIAA DOES actively pursue shutting down websites encouraging the illegal downloading of music. There is no comparison between the two. If it's such an upstanding and legal activity, and so easy to prove how legal it is, then why did Napster shut down? Why did WinMX's founders shut off their servers without even appearing one day in court? The answer is BECAUSE THEY CANNOT WIN. The law is clear, and now the precedents are clear.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Quote:
This website IS NOT a place to discuss breaking those laws, or how to break them.
OH REALLY.... Do you know that modifying your vehicle to deliver N2O is illegal is some states, modifying away from stock exhaust is illegal in some states? Every non-C.A.R.B. approved modification is illegal in CA. Do you refuse to allow people to post how to install intake "X" because of that?!
I think not...
Now this site doesn't by any means promote driving 100MPH+ down a residential street, but it DOES promote giving your car the power to do so. Some mature/common-sense restraint is implied. So why different with software?
If promoting "software X" is promoting piracy, then promoting speed parts is promoting reckless street races. Both notions are ridiculous. You cannot have it both ways.
GAM - I'm right with you here 100%
Similar to the above...the State of California doesn't go after websites for discussing upgrades to cars. The RIAA and similar organizations have entire departments dedicated to initiating action against file sharing websites AND against sites where their programs are promoted or even discussed.
We don't allow discussion of how to remove the governor on J vehicles. Sure it has a potential legal use on cars that are trapping high in the 1/4 mile, but the risks to the site in allowing that discussion far outweigh the benefits.
To end this debate,
JBO WILL NOT EVER condone the discussion of illegal file sharing. If that infringes on the "rights" of the <.0001% of people that use the services for legal reasons then sorry. It's not worth the risk to our network. File sharing is illegal. "Evaluation purposes" is illegal. Making music AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD is illegal. The case precedents are clear and the risks involved by allowing it are clear. There are forums all over the internet dedicated to the discussion of file sharing, downloading music and software, etc. You can feel free to discuss these activities there, as they are not (and never will be) allowed on JBO.
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