frank marek wrote: I now rev it up to 6000. I used to shift at 5600 because it would just sit there.
that might account for your 2mph increase on the trap......just a thought though
i completely disagree with how this thread went south,and i have my own point of view of who is to blame.
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"Dan thanks for the entertainment... but I think someone is going to own you.... "
--CarbonFire (i think he's getting a little ticked over this one............)
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dan wrote:i completely disagree with how this thread went south,and i have my own point of view of who is to blame.
Well why don't you share that with the rest of the class, Johnny?
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I have an 03 5-speed Cavy, and when I race.. I shift at 6300-6500. That method (coupled with the fact that the guy probably couldn't drive for @!#$) allowed me to keep up with/have a slight lead on an 04 Mustang GT.
man what a load of
man this guy should really do some homework before he puts a post up i would rather have a stock muffler
the stock on is probability aluminized, at least....
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who said anything about comparing a cherry bomb turbo to a straight through muffler? I was comparing it to stock. Also , the cherry bomb is aluminized inside and out. I listed the little mods and headlight bulbs to show that I don't waste money with lots of mods that may ruin a car or lower it's value The rsm supercharger is all you need. But anyone should know it is better to have a better flowing exhaust with a supercharger.
However, it is a free country and you can do what you want. Just don't be so quick to put down another person unless you know the facts. The fact is my car runs better and sounds better with the cherry bomb turbo. Especially in the higher rpm's.
Yes, you're right frank, YOU have all the facts and none of the rest of us have ANY idea what we're talking about...
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No, you just want to argue. For, example. Why did they state that the actual horsepower was 168 hp with stock intake and exhaust ( not 140-150) WITHOUT A MUFFLER? Go argue with them. I am using common sense and not throwing money in the trash.
Look dude... Aside from the namecalling and everything else... You are not looking at your data correctly.
The factory ESTIMATED rating of the ecotec 2.2 n/a engine is 140 hp. Dude to variances because of machining and mass production, this is NOT an exact figure. The only way to know your true stock hp is to dyno your car stock. Then, to prove your muffler made such a difference, you'd have to dyno it with the muffler.
When GM did those tests to the eco race engine, they knew it was going to be a race engine, and would not use mufflers or catalytic converters, so they did NOT dyno that particular engine with a muffler on it. Just a straight pipe out of the stock exhaust manifold (NO CAT EITHER) into the shop's ventilation system.
For all you know from their data. that particular engine could have made just as much hp with a stock muffler on it. Naturally, common sense says that the muffler is a restriction, and would result in a drop in power from the figure they list with no cat and no muffler. BUT since they did not dyno it that way, you cannot extract an EXACT gain.
Beyond having no cat and no muffler, that engine was also run with no intake system except the stock intake manifold and throttle body (no rubber pipe leading to an airbox and filter). Another thread in this forum illustrates the difference in wheel horsepower between just an open throttle body and one with the factory intake system attached.
You didn't read closely enough. It says stock intake and exhaust MANIFOLDS, not stock intake and exhaust SYSTEMS.
You picked up 2 miles an hour in the 1/4 by shifting higher. And an eco can rev all the way to redline on the stock muffler, so your cherry bomb did not open some magical gate that suddenly allowed you to rev that high. When i was trying things at the track, I tried shifting at a lower rpm than normal to see what would happen. I ended up having a trap speed 4 MILES AN HOUR SLOWER than i had shifting at redline.
Please, just stop continuing this argument and go do some reading.
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I listed the little mods and headlight bulbs to show that I don't waste money with lots of mods that may ruin a car or lower it's value The rsm supercharger is all you need.
Headlight bulbs do nothing to resale value, and usually nor do mufflers. In fact You can spend $50,000 worth of mods and still only have a resale value of $1500. Most of the time, unless stated as a Special interest car, Mods will not increase the value of any car.
No matter how good it looks.
Mods that work, and not harm a car:
Intake - either wai or cai -cost $10-400, Equal in performance, price comes down to brand and visual appeal. Better gas mileage seen in all price ranges
FULL exhaust - Header, High-flow cat, 2.25" piping, 18"+ resonator, muffler
Costs: $100- how ever much you want to spend. More power, more torque, better sound, agressive looks depending, sometimes better MPG.
Thats a start, i want to see your response before i go further.
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No, you just want to argue. For, example. Why did they state that the actual horsepower was 168 hp with stock intake and exhaust ( not 140-150) WITHOUT A MUFFLER? Go argue with them. I am using common sense and not throwing money in the trash.
you are such a dumb ass. do yourself a favor and STFU
I just feel a whole lot stupider after readin this entire thread.
Now I must change my pants after pissing all over myself because your a complete moron.
So "Mr. I've been around engines for a while" where's your dyno runs to prove any power gains??
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Frank, u said that "the RSM supercharger is all you need". u go on and believe that...and when u blow your motor because you didnt put in forged internals and upgrade your fuel system, and everything else that comes with boost, the rest of us here will still be laughing at u. like many people have said that reving higher raised your trap speed. just putting a muffler will NOT gain you anything. the exhaust is only as good as the wrost flowing parts, since everything else is stock, it is impossible to believe that u gained anything.
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RSM racing guarantees the factory warranty will stay in effect with the stage one supercharger ( 60 hp), but not with stage two ( 85 hp ) I don't know why anyone would want anyone more than 200 hp. The ecotec had no trouble making 350 hp with the stock intake and exhaust manifold ( with nitrous ) before it became restricted. That is what I am talking about when I am saying you can waste lots of money with mods. However, the supercharger is not cheap ( I would already have one if it was ) Anyway, those of you who have a stock ecotec muffler, try the cherry bomb turbo supreme muffler and then tell me I am wrong . To jersey jay. I am glad someone on the site is showing some education. However, the car really does want to rev more now. Before it went dead at 5500. Now it revs faster and wants to rev higher. It felt like it lost a very slight amount of torque when taking off, but it was worth it to get a little more power where I wanted it. I thought about the dyno, but the one guy in town wants $100 a pull.
God, i wish the .org had as many smile face icons as vwvortex, because i'd SOOOOO be using the one of the little smiley dude growling and banging his head against a wall right now.... DOH!!
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frank marek wrote:RSM racing guarantees the factory warranty will stay in effect with the stage one supercharger ( 60 hp), but not with stage two ( 85 hp ) I don't know why anyone would want anyone more than 200 hp. The ecotec had no trouble making 350 hp with the stock intake and exhaust manifold ( with nitrous ) before it became restricted. That is what I am talking about when I am saying you can waste lots of money with mods. However, the supercharger is not cheap ( I would already have one if it was ) Anyway, those of you who have a stock ecotec muffler, try the cherry bomb turbo supreme muffler and then tell me I am wrong . To jersey jay. I am glad someone on the site is showing some education. However, the car really does want to rev more now. Before it went dead at 5500. Now it revs faster and wants to rev higher. It felt like it lost a very slight amount of torque when taking off, but it was worth it to get a little more power where I wanted it. I thought about the dyno, but the one guy in town wants $100 a pull.
don't sweat these guys yo. and don't worry aboot the cost of the RSM stage 1.
check this out with dyno sheets on site
throw one of these in and you will be smokin cars across town, good luck gettin someone to line up against you at the track fo sho.
frank marek wrote:I am glad someone on the site is showing some education.
Listen, you godddamn deVry graduate. You've just about motivated me to drop out of 3rd year studies in comp sci, because if a college degree is going to make me sound just like you, I don't want no part of it.
Please please please post your alma mater, just so the younger members on this site will know which school to avoid.
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I have an 03 5-speed Cavy, and when I race.. I shift at 6300-6500. That method (coupled with the fact that the guy probably couldn't drive for @!#$) allowed me to keep up with/have a slight lead on an 04 Mustang GT.
OMG this is probably the funniest topic on the .org right now. Sure I'm now 150 I.Q. points lower on the totem pole after reading this guy's incoherent drivel. I mean I'm a n00b too, but I'm not going to post retarded crap like this frank guy. But all in all, I say let him believe what he wants cause then he'll post more stupid stuff and we can all have a good laugh.
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"Whatever I feel like! Gosh!........"
The people who think I am funny or are cussing are probably the ones who put their money in the trash with slight gains and possible drive abiiity / durability problems on cams, head porting, headers, throttle bodies, expensive exhaust systems etc. A real supercharger is not cheap at $3200, but it will make an ecotec cavalier into something that will blow away some very expensive cars and get better gas mileage, too. I paid $8500 for my base model 04 ecotec 5 speed (NEW). With the supercharger I will have about $12,000 invested. They now even have 0% financing on the cavaliers left over on the car lots.. The 205 hp. cobalt with factory supercharger will be around $20,000. and will weigh a couple of hundred pounds more than my ( soon to be ) 200 hp cavalier. Mine also has 10% more engine size and should give more torque ( with the rsm supercharger ) than the 2.0 supercharged cobalt. In 03 the base cavalier brakes were upgraded, the suspension was re-tuned, the body was stiffened and it got the ecotec.They have been making it for a long time and I have had no problems. It is a great little car for a low price and can be turned into a pocket rocket with a supercharger.
because your "ecotec cavalier" can fit in your pocket? I bet you USED YOUR EDUCATION to get that thing to fit, i heard education is slicker than crisco these days. *sigh*
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Manto, How old are you?
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haha both hands? as opposed to when you were using only one hand to masturbate to the sheer stupidity (and odd popularity) of this god forsaken thread?
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