ok, how about this..... I have a 2.3 quad 4
GM 442 block
P+P 086 head (almost done porting, rebuilding with new springs)
custom intercooled turbocharger set-up I put together myself
custom spec turbo I built myself
MSD programmable DIS-2 ignition
3 bar map sensor
Greddy AIC with 4 extra fuel injectors (unit is coming in the mail)
Greddy rebic III simulator
410 lift/212 durration H/O cams
Custom 3" exhaust
Custom direct port nitrous set-up (working on right now)
Some secret stuff with the computer
Even though it isn't all finished being put together right now, It is going to throw down way way way more hp than an RSM stage 2 supercharger does. All and all I have paid around $2k for everything. Not only that but I also have quality 8.5" rubber to keep it all down. Now you want to talk about making smart investments? Try researching first. Anything you don't have the drive to do yourself isn't worth having done. Take the price to gain ratio and compare it to ANYTHING else.
As far as all this talk about the level of education we have, you are just a straight up, top of the line assclown. I have an education not only through an actual college, but also a full education of THE SUBJECT AT HAND through technical school. I have the test scores to back up my knowledge in both fields so don't come here swinging that crap. My SAT scores for math and english are each around the RPM where you car idles. Combine that with my ASE certifications.
I don't feel dumber after reading your posts. I feel more inspired to complete my own project with my Cavalier. My car being on the same exact chasis as your car and all. I only paid a grand for it. My motor is also going to be much, much higher in torque and horsepower than your's. It's also going to weigh a lot less with all the fiberglass and carbon fiber body paneling I have. My TOTAL investment into the car is around the $4k range right now including the price of the car. Wait a minute.... That is just a little more than you are going to pay for your supercharger. That can't be, can it?
Just face it...... you haven't said anything correct but the statement that Silverstar headlights are better than stock. YOUR education is not going to help you here. Learn something else and try again.
PS: I checked out the muffler today at the store...... POS.....
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frank marek wrote:The people who think I am funny or are cussing are probably the ones who put their money in the trash with slight gains and possible drive abiiity / durability problems on cams, head porting, headers, throttle bodies, expensive exhaust systems etc. A real supercharger is not cheap at $3200, but it will make an ecotec cavalier into something that will blow away some very expensive cars and get better gas mileage, too. I paid $8500 for my base model 04 ecotec 5 speed (NEW). With the supercharger I will have about $12,000 invested. They now even have 0% financing on the cavaliers left over on the car lots.. The 205 hp. cobalt with factory supercharger will be around $20,000. and will weigh a couple of hundred pounds more than my ( soon to be ) 200 hp cavalier. Mine also has 10% more engine size and should give more torque ( with the rsm supercharger ) than the 2.0 supercharged cobalt. In 03 the base cavalier brakes were upgraded, the suspension was re-tuned, the body was stiffened and it got the ecotec.They have been making it for a long time and I have had no problems. It is a great little car for a low price and can be turned into a pocket rocket with a supercharger.
OK dude. I have been in this thread for like an hour trying to figure out which one of your posts I wanted to quote. I try to stay away from these flaming threads and give some simpathy to people like you. But I dont think I can this time. Dont post anything until you learn a little bit about cars.
You talk about people throwing money away for slight gains. THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU BUY A FRICKEN CHERRY BOMB TURBO?!?!?!?!?!?!? THAT IS THE WORST EXAMPLE OF THROWING AWAY MONEY FOR SLIGHT GAINS THAT i HAVE EVER SEEN.
So you say that your RSM supercharged cavalier is gona beat the Cobalt? well I would say if you had any mechanical knowledge it might. BUT WITH YOUR INTELIGENCE YOUR CAR EITHER WONT RUN, YOUR GONA BLOW SOMTHING, OR BECAUSE OF YOUR CHERRY BOMB AND SUPERCHARGER YOUR GONA BE DRAG CHAMP OF THE WORLD.
I have never, EVER, in my forum reading career seen anyone get flamed as bad as you have. If that doesnt tell you somthing then you need to think about going to high school before college.
And the fact that you are still arguing realy shows your level of intelligence. NONE. Quit arguing, admitt your wrong, and learn. Honestly if you were to admitt all of that to us right now. We will all help you to make your modification go smoothly. We can help you make your car fast.... but only if you respect the fact that we know more and that you MUST LISTEN.
If you chose not to listen. Then do not buy a supercharger for your car. You will do nothing but waste them money and blow up a motor.
only a fool would want a quad when they could get a ecotec. Go change your head gasket while you are at it.
I think you guys took it to damn far. And Frank you should have never brought up your education on this thread, because unless you took mechanic's school, the University will not teach you how to "soup-up" your car. Remember this... education or not, someone will always be smarter than you.
I can see maybe a higher trap speed if you enlarge the exhaust along with your muffler. But the muffler alone can't do that. Yes, we all know the GM exhaust is more restrictive with less CFMs coming out, hence the quietness. But 2mph gain is a bit overstated.
I got to agree with on the SS vs S/C Cav. It make more sense to the route that you are doing then to buy a SS. I know very well how the SS is and runs (Nov-2004)and I don't need to do magazine racing to figure the SS performance out. <I am wiser then that.
But a word of advice. You will find here very closed minded people, passionate people, "fanboys", open people, some with good common sense, many ignorant, many just plain stupid and lots of smart folks. So my advice, if you claim wild claims, be prepare to back it, cuz as you can see you will get owned.
Props for trying to make the Cav what it should be, because GM gave up a while ago in favor for the Cobalt. Just watch out with what you say.
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only a fool would want a quad when they could get a ecotec. Go change your head gasket while you are at it.
Wow. I don't know where to start there. I have a quad because my car came witha quad and I like the quad. Not only that, I can put down twice your horsepower using a quarter of the money due to all the interchangable parts. Not only that, it is also interchangable almost as much as honda engines. The only problem with the quads came in certain castings over others. That is why I selected the casting numbers that are proven to work. Now as far as being a fool goes, yes I will admit it. I can be pretty stubborn in certain areas. You are missing out on a couple things though. Firstly, while you may see a fool as being the person who takes the older engine with more known about it; the engine that you can take just as far for less money because of computer restraints and unknowns on the newer one, I see the fool being the one who throws on an over-priced blower and a pepboys muffler and thinks that they will be satisfied with it forever. You are going to learn some things. Everyone is pationate about something on this site. I myself am a "fanboy" of the quad 4 line of motors. I find them to be much more basic. Oldsmobile race teams took these engines to the 800 hp mark and beyond in the mid 80's. No, I don't think they were running on the stock headgasket, but come on now, a V8 would have trouble reaching those marks back then with as little advances there were with EFI. If you want to call me a fool for building the faster car with less cash, so be it. At 19 years-old, I think I am doing pretty well for myself and have far surpassed the foolish mark; however, I myself find you to be the fool of the bunch in this case. First off you are jumping into a motor that you know nothing about. You see Kubo, Ladwig and Hoyos pushing ecotecs in their cars so it MUST be the "end all,be all" solution to all of the motor problems in the world; however, those are engine backed by GM. That much power could be made on ANY engine GM wants to fun. The reason they are pushing those motors in their drag cars and the rest of the cars they are funding is because that is what they are selling right now. If you look around, the backyard enthusiast is not hacing as much luck as the GM race teams are. I have seen more posts about blown ecotecs on boost and rods pieces under ecotec oil pans from nitrous than any other motor. The reason is because it has been all the hype with what GM has done on the over-funded cars. Your expensocharger and the chepo muffler are not going to take you very far. You will not be happy with the gains for long. You will want to have more power and you will want it all at once. The difference between you and I is that you can talk about imaginary gains and guess what the best route is to go with you car for the rest of you life; I wont be happy until I have dyno numbers to prove it.
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It is a great little car for a low price and can be turned into a pocket rocket with a supercharger.
It's going to burn a hole through your pocket with a supercharger.
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In 03 the base cavalier brakes were upgraded, the suspension was re-tuned, the body was stiffened and it got the ecotec.
The ecotec was available in 2002. The suspension "retuning" is terribly miniscule. It still blows. Even with the stiffenning you wont be able to out-handle a double wishbone set-up. The better route for you would be to buy a used 2002 with an Ecotec since you nut when you hear it out your fart can. The left0over money would be enough to buy a complete Baer 13" front/12" rear rotor upgrade with all the goodies, koni yellows, goldline springs, front and rear strut bars, front and rear ant-sway bars and a subframe brace. Which do you think would win? Hell, you can even do a complete bolt on conversion of Every single last thing in your car from a 95 model-year cavalier. You sor don't want to believe you are wrong.
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The people who think I am funny or are cussing are probably the ones who put their money in the trash with slight gains and possible drive abiiity / durability problems on cams, head porting, headers, throttle bodies, expensive exhaust systems etc.
Wrong.
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Mine also has 10% more engine size and should give more torque ( with the rsm supercharger ) than the 2.0 supercharged cobalt.
Wrong. (your logic behind it is really starting to show how much you know about engines)
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The 205 hp. cobalt with factory supercharger will be around $20,000. and will weigh a couple of hundred pounds more than my ( soon to be ) 200 hp cavalier.
And your car willl be around $6k more expensive and weigh a whole lot more than my soon to be 300+hp cavalier. PLus, since I have one extra tenth of a liter of displacement, mine should have moretorque than your's.
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Hey, I got four pages of replies. Mr Goodwrench Gt deserves his name and will go far in life. I did get 2 mph more , but I did have some help from below zero weather and a tailwind. JOSH, for 19 you are doing well for yourself. I could not write like that at your age and I am sure you like your car as much as I like mine. Nevertheless, the Cavalier is underrated and is as good as you can get for the money. Leftover O5's have O% financing. ( Try not to pay more than $8500 for the base model)
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frank marek wrote:I only paid $25 for a cherry bomb turbo and it works great on my 04 ecotec cavalier. I gained 2 mph in the quarter mile ( NOW 89 MPH) and a half mile per gallon of gas. It is very quiet with normal driving or on the highway, but gives a nice sporty sound when I step on it and a nice rumble when down-gearing. Most of the gain is in the top end. It now likes to rev. I tried a Fram air hog cotton drop in filter and gained nothing. The factory air filter is very high quality and works the best.
to gain that 2 mph in ur 1/4 mile time u prolly lost like 10lbs or something installing ur muffler. just having a muffler wouldnt do much.
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frank marek wrote:Hey, I got four pages of replies. Mr Goodwrench Gt deserves his name and will go far in life. I did get 2 mph more , but I did have some help from below zero weather and a tailwind. JOSH, for 19 you are doing well for yourself. I could not write like that at your age and I am sure you like your car as much as I like mine. Nevertheless, the Cavalier is underrated and is as good as you can get for the money. Leftover O5's have O% financing. ( Try not to pay more than $8500 for the base model)
dude there isn't a track i know of that runs in below zero weather... and still, you have yet to produce a timeslip.... so put up or shut up. Frank i was trying to give you a chance but the more you post the more you prove yourself the fool. I'm hoping that you're actually just somoene pretending to be that dumb to piss us off or for some comic relief on the org, because seriously, if you are as stupid as your posts make you out to be, i've just lost that much more faith in the human race...
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frank this ones for you buddy
oh and i have to laugh at this that frank said
"will blow away some very expensive cars and get better gas mileage"
shows how much you know...lets see how much better your gas mileage is lol.....and how much more you will be paying for better octane gas
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frank this ones for you buddy
oh and i have to laugh at this that frank said
"will blow away some very expensive cars and get better gas mileage"
shows how much you know...lets see how much better your gas mileage is lol.....and how much more you will be paying for better octane gas
MAN!!! you shoudnt have told him that. He would have got the charger, ran 87, then wouldn't you know Frank would be out several thousand dollars and be back on here whinning about how he didnt know anything and blew up his car.
i know plenty of dumb people that went to college and got a degree, that includes most of my friend and of course me.
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I meant ( very ) cold weather. I already use premium. The muffler is lighter that stock. Still won't keep up with my Lt-1.
where's the slip frank? huh? where's the f--ing slip? you keep ignoring jay everytime he asks so where is it?
even if you use premium your gas mileage is going to be worse with a supercharger...i dont know what makes you think it would be better....
add more power = use more fuel = worse gas mileage
oh but wait if forgot..you arent going to change any internals so your not gonna use as much fuel as you should be using...
your just gonna blow your engine....gl and have fun with that
and premium gas on a stock car does jack @!#$...the cavalier was made to run ( and accept) 87 octance fuel
when i cut the muffler off my 91z, and put a glasspack on it, i noticed that mine revved a little better, and gave me a decent amount of top end kick at a sacrifice of a little bit of low end torque(which my 3.1 had plenty to lose)
I can't believe everyone is making such a stink over this post.
I have the Cherry Bomb Turbo Muffler on my car. I hate it. Sounds like ass. I just bought a 2 1/2" Ultra Flow DynoMax...THAT would give you a noticeble gain...with a Cat back to back it up.
Mufflers itself don't give you noticeable gains. It's more of a Ricer mod without anything backing it up. (Cat-back/Highflow cat)
I only bought the damn thing cause it was cheap.
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i love how people find posts just to start arguments in, if he noticed a gain, he noticed a gain, if he didnt and just thinks he did, so be it, but you dont gotta start yelling and calling him a noob and being @!#$s about it. your going to give jbody a bad name.
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what i cant believe is that this post is 4 pages long and everyone feels they have to bash the guy because some other people did. this is one of the worst threads ever.
btw if he does boost the motor and it has stock internals it will not blow up if its tuned right and not making too much power. im so tired of people saying that, its been done, its being done, some have blown, but for good reasons.
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frank marek wrote:I meant ( very ) cold weather. I already use premium. The muffler is lighter that stock. Still won't keep up with my Lt-1.
Dude. I am not going to rip on you here. I want to be informative. Premium is wasting your money. Premium is harder for a car to burn and therefore might not completely combust the fuel/air mixture. Therefore you get worse gas milage. You dont need premium, and you should never run premium, on a stock J.
Also are you expecting your ECO to be as quick as an LT-1? I sure hope not, because you are in for a very disappointing ownership of your ECO.
Seriously, listen to some of us on here and you will learn so much more than just hoping everything works. When you get your supercharger, put on a straight through muffler first. It will help that charger work like it should. Once you do get it, then you need to start running premium. Being that it is harder to burn you wont risk detonation as much.
Seriously man. Just search around this site and make sure you understand everything fully before you put it on. Make sure you read everything about it, even the stuff you know already. You will not be dissapointed. The first thing someone should do when getting that far into power modifications is to admit what they dont know, and not put anything on the car until the find the answer from someone who does know.
Good luck.
Five minutes of reading and this is what I have come up with: Frank good luck with your charger.
lock this thread befor this fu ck head makes more of a fool out of himself
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